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What do you think about the YouTubers on here?

Post By: eholm      Posted: 10/3/2022 2:49:31 PM     Points: 3036    
Note - remember the rule "No Personal Attacks". I'm talking about the trend as a whole, and not any one particular member.

I've noticed that a solid portion of new threads being started are from YouTube creators, who basically seem to be driving traffic to their videos on YouTube.

It seems there are mixed feelings about this trend, so I thought it may be worthy of a discussion.

I'll start with my own opinion, of course.

I think what we are seeing here is a result of two factors:

1) Video is the #1 preferred form of content on the internet, period. I could back up this statement with studies, reports, etc. For example, TikTok was the most high traffic website for 2021.

2) This forum is behind the times, by not integrating video.

I'm not going to delve too deeply into part #2, because that could be considered a "website issue", which as a rule should not be discussed on the forum. I do believe it is appropriate to mention it though, as this subject is of paramount importance to the forum, and potentially entails other rules (ie. No Advertising), as I will explain.

First, I will say I generally do not fault the YouTubers, and in fact I believe they are among the most helpful content producers in this forum.

When I was a kid, my dream was to have my own fishing show. My idols were Babe Winkleman and Jimmy Houston. That was way before the internet was a thing. To be able to fish for a living, teach people, travel, and make cool videos... that was my dream in the 1980's, so I can certainly understand the appeal of it for today's content creators.

The internet made it possible for virtually anyone to have their own fishing show, and thousands have done just that.

Are there some egos and self-aggrandizement involved? Of course. But I don't think it would be fair to characterize all as such. For many it is a way to share their passion, document their hobby, educate the masses, or combine their love of video production with their love of fishing.

Just because someone is making videos of themselves doesn't mean they have bad motives, and if part of their motives are selfish, so what? We all do in some area of life.

Since video is the preferred form of media these days, YouTube content creators are providing content in the way that most people want to consume it, and many would argue that a video can hold a more valuable education than an article.

Now, where I question the way YouTubers are involved on this forum is their method of participation.

An example wold be a post that says: "Hey I just caught a bunch of big fish, and made a video showing how I did it: LINK"

The reader is then being taken off this site, and most subsequent conversation and interaction happens on YouTube rather than this site.

I also see that some (but not all) YouTube creators are not FXR+ members, and their primary (if not only) interaction on this site is to post their stuff.

I think that really blurs or crosses the line of the "No Advertising" rule. After all, they are promoting their own product/service, which is their YouTube channel.

This is where I felt it was only appropriate to mention the website functionality. If videos were more integrated with this website, those content creators could be using this site as a platform and actually providing content within it, while providing more value for FXR by keeping the interaction here.

The most simple first step would be adding video embed into posts. Even if the video is still hosted at YouTube, the videos could be watched here without having to link out to YouTube. Since there is not that option, I find it hard to fault the YouTubers for the way they are doing it.

(Again I'm not attacking the forum admin here. I'll gladly discuss further details, how to make it happen, etc. in a personal email or phone call. I know I could just email my suggestion to the admin, but I think it would be much more fruitful and helpful to the admin to see a discussion with multiple opinions rather than just receive an unsolicited suggestion from me. It may be that no one here wants video I don't want to make assumptions.)

So what do you y'all think? Videos or no videos? What kind of videos do you like to see or not see?
 Reply by: Barnacles      Posted: 10/3/2022 4:48:21 PM     Points: 2868
You make great points. I watch every one of our regular YouTube guys. I'd rather watch our local guys fish than just about anything on TV. There's always something to learn, mostly I'm just entertained & I get to see places that I'll probably never get around to going to. When I'm not fishing I wanna know what my friends are catching. I'd make my own videos but I have a voice like the guy on Sling Blade.

Interesting thought about integrating video here. Never really bothered me to get taken to YouTube. Sure is easy and free to take advantage of the YouTube engine, and easy to scroll on down if for folks that don't want to watch it.
 Reply by: killum      Posted: 10/3/2022 6:11:26 PM     Points: 54
I like the YouTubers on here. Folks are pretty stingy with sharing tips, bodies of water, and techniques in here. There's a lot of unneeded gatekeeping on this site. YouTube folks generally want to help less experienced anglers and they share scenery and waters that a lot of people just don't get to experience. You get to see their equipment, lures, and how they're rigged. Most of the post on here are redundant and useless, so it's nice to break the monotony with videos from local anglers that aren't as uptight as these old-timers 😈
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 10/3/2022 6:14:27 PM     Points: 44518
I dont mind them either way but to sit thru one it has to carp or some of Team Coffs with the cool catch and cook stuff and rare species. Do wish the Youtubers would do lake reports more often.
 Reply by: Skookshunter      Posted: 10/3/2022 7:44:04 PM     Points: 3013
I will occasionally post my youtube videos on the forum. However, I noticed that it doesn't drive as much traffic as it used to. There's many possible reasons for that so I won't speculate as to why it doesnt work as well as back in the day. I don't really have a problem with them doing it though. I mean no one is forcing folks to click on their links. If you don't like it, then just scroll on by.
I started recording my fishing trips simply because I like to revisit past trips. My family is also big into fishing so they check up on my channel to see what I've been up to lately.
BTW if you check lake updates, you'll see that I put in a few for Pueblo, Boyd, and Jayhawker recently. If you happen to watch my channel, you will see the trips where I based those conditions off of a few weeks later after my backlog of videos gets uploaded in the meantime.
 Reply by: tfotrout      Posted: 10/3/2022 7:48:41 PM     Points: 1467
 Reply by: Goosehunter82      Posted: 10/3/2022 9:54:37 PM     Points: 70657
I don't mind them. I don't watch all of them but do like some. I absolutely agree with Bron. If your going to use this site to push your YouTube channel you should absolutely be doing condition reports to support this site.
 Reply by: nparker      Posted: 10/4/2022 6:19:50 AM     Points: 1183
This post was well articulated and should offend no one. Viewing the videos is up to the viewer of course. When the videos use ads I think that they may be crossing a line. They are using FishExplorer for their personal financial benefit and FE should approve this and get some of the benefits if desired. I am not pointing at anyone and am not aware of any videos that use ads. I just think that it is crossing a line to do that. FE administrators can decide.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: 10/4/2022 6:51:19 AM     Points: 178
Too much thinking for me. I'm just here for the porn........
 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: 10/4/2022 9:18:18 AM     Points: 719
Its like free advertisement for them to get clicks - I am not a fan.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 10/4/2022 10:08:50 AM     Points: 10682
youtube has it's time and place.I'm a huge y-tuber when it comes to fixing things,ways to cook stuff and ideas for fishing(immatation is the greatest form of flattery) but I don't look at too many of the "links" put up here as I find most to be poorly made "beat my chest" vidios at best.Just remember . . . .America home of the free . . . .that means free to post anything you like. If you don't like the links . . . .don't open them.
 Reply by: Troutbisquits      Posted: 10/4/2022 10:34:29 AM     Points: 1004
As someone who posts the occasional YouTube video on here, I find this topic and the opinions of all those involved interesting.

I make YouTube videos simply for the fun of it. I love sharing with my family and friends my adventures, especially my father who is not in good health and can not fish anymore. It does feel awkward posting with the "intent" of promoting a video, but at the same time this forum is a perfect place for posting fishing videos because it is a gathering of Anglers.

I do agree with those here who have said that it would be great if some of the YouTubers helped the site out by updating conditions, or contributing in some other fashion besides just a video. There is a points system to help clue people in on whether or not someone is actively contributing to the site... some of the YouTubers probably have never made a single conditions report, as indicated by their lack of points. That is fine I guess, but it would be nice to see some conditions reports or something. After all what they are getting out of this site is free advertising.

Nparker " Viewing the videos is up to the viewer of course. When the videos use ads I think that they may be crossing a line. They are using FishExplorer for their personal financial benefit and FE should approve this and get some of the benefits if desired.: "

What you may not know about this is that it is not typically up to the YouTuber when a video has advertisements. YouTube does that automatically for some videos. My channel is small with only 200 subscribers I do not get paid a cent for my videos, even if they have ads. YouTube wont pay you a dime until you have 1k subs and a certain amount of watch hours. Most my videos don't have ads, but some do. Unfortunately this is not something I have control of.
 Reply by: 3wayfisha      Posted: 10/4/2022 10:41:08 AM     Points: 383
honestly not much of a fan, i think it is kind of silly

only time i watch fishing youtube vids is if its realllllly cool content...like fly fishing for reds, tuna, etc....trout fishing remote NZ rivers...I honestly couldnt care less about CO youtube videos..kinda a been there done that thing for me personally as Ive spent soooooo much time fishing the lakes and rivers theyre often posting about
 Reply by: GingerLife      Posted: 10/4/2022 1:00:08 PM     Points: 431
My 2 cents:
I like watching any fishing videos really, always something to learn. If you learned that you dont like youtube videos, then you learned something...

Its not like FXR made you do it. It is always YOUR choice to click the video or not, whether the creator did it for likes or for the pure love of fishing, it was YOUR choice to click the link.

 Reply by: Digginjiggin      Posted: 10/4/2022 3:28:22 PM     Points: 424
Some that are done responsibly are ok,!but they should be limited, like the rule for guides, why is there a difference?
Probably won’t affect many, but when there are 3 separate posts on a small lake that holds nice fish-mostly catch-and-release ethics that have been used by locals for 30 years, that’s bad enough. But then to start these threads with “PB of rare species” and hype with drones, as well as post very unique and identifiable background features, that lake is doomed for being fished out shortly, which it will be and had been. There are lots of hunters, ATV clubs, snowmobiles etc that peruse this site just looking to pluck these cherries. The You Tube videos make the destruction of these rare fisheries quick and ugly. When it happens to you on multiple lakes in three years, yep, maybe not too impressed.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: 10/4/2022 3:57:07 PM     Points: 2697
One of the first things I check on TV is whether or not some of the YouTube guys added something new. I like the small, down to earth, sometimes rough footage of lakes I am familiar with. I appreciate some of these guys giving recipes as well.
 Reply by: ozzy      Posted: 10/5/2022 7:45:20 PM     Points: 5894
I think youtubers on here are great. I see their stuff usually without seeing it here, but every once in a while I will see something new or something I missed. i think with how it is such a media driven world now, it is inevitable that there will be video and links to videos here. I bet in 20 years, its going to be mostly video content. Seems that it is just the evolution of everything. Old people arent going to like it because it isnt what they are used to and young people are going to be bonkers for it. I think it is just another form of content.

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