Post By: uuuuw Posted: 2/17/2022 9:42:01 AMPoints: 13
Last year & this year, Lazy Boy camp sites (spot 503 and all ) has a rope gate restricting access & Witchers Cove gate is closed going back towards Howbart, restricting access to day fishing parking & the big rock at the end of the road. I am paying full price for a my parks pass, and yet I cant access these spots. I am 70 years old,and cant hoof it like i used to. Last year, we talked to an employee opening the gate at Witchers, and she said it was closed because they were short staffed. Short staffed or not, Park employees must check the whole lake for proper passes, etc. If I am paying full price for my pass, I should have access to the whole lake.
I wanted to ice fish Aurora in the back coves,but did not want to walk from the gate at the back of the property . . . .answer . . .eletric MTN bike. Check out the Quiet Cat . . .there is a vidio of Nate Zilinsky the fishing guide on youtube . . .they run around on Quiet Cats all day long . . .he also had the trailer from Quiet Cat that really rounds out the package. Note: The bike works great if there is a few inchs of snow on the ice . . .clear ice with no snow . . .not so good. I built my e bike out of a Schwinn adult trike.E bikes on clear ice are a high chance of slipping and you hitting the deck.Just ask IFF.
Zukmoto . . . .That is why I said E-Bike . . .I have done my homework on the rules at state parks and called the CWP and talked to rangers and park mgr offices people ect. If it was not allowed . . .think a gas or eletric auger would be allowed?I'm not telling you to use a moped . .thats not allowed. UUUW . . .Nothing stopping you from accessing the lake.Just not from the parking lot you want to access from.I understand growing older,but the lack of park employees is not going away anytime soon and could get worse.
I agree we should have access. If trash and damage are the problems, then let us register and open it up with names on file. Short staffed or not someone is working somewhere at the park. I haven’t bought a parks pass like I used to. Renewed the month it expired. Until the costs come down or the benefit increases I’ll just started spending more time at the lakes that don’t require a pass -Tarryall & Antero to name a couple close to 11mile.
Reply by: skiman Posted: Feb. 24, 11:59:48 AM Points: 2571
From some of the posts, it appears that we’re living in a society of “entitlement” Therefore, I should be able to park where I want, camp where I want, fish where I want, whenever I want …all because I paid full price for a Parks Pass! It doesn’t matter that CPW is doing the best they can with extremely limited resources. I get all cranky when I read the whiny, poor me rhetoric from those who think they deserve more for less! (rant over)
Reply by: 10-10_class Posted: Feb. 28, 7:22:26 AM Points: 11
Personally, I would have cut the rope. They cannot prove you did it. And besides if they come down to check on you, you will probably get a better explanation of why it was roped off, ie unsafe ice, high wind area, wolf activity, or whatever. Short staffed or not, you did pay full price.
The prime example are closed boat ramps during certain parts of the season. CPW blames it on not having enough resources to fund the ANS inspection program, but, meanwhile, they double the ANS fee, increased fishing licenses costs, and are making more money on non-residents than ever before.
When a lake is open, we should be able to put our boats on it and fish it (I'm not talking about municipal bodies of water). I'm talking about state parks, etc... The front range state parks are relatively accessible, but when you talk about western bodies of water, there are generally weeks and weeks of open water before you can actually use the boat ramp.
this thread is a whole lot of YIKES and i dont think i can hold back my response anymore...
if youre complaining about not being able to drive up to the spot you want to fish...then walk. if you cant walk...well...go to a different spot on the lake or even a different lake? the one spot you picked isnt the only place to fish
if youre complaining about not being able to use a boat ramp...use a hand launch vessel and launch anywhere
CPW isnt limiting access to you, theyre having to limit ways you can access because of resource limitations. these problems arent simply solved by raising the fishing license $5...get a grip...theyre most easily solved by YOU finding a different way to access (see above)
have some of yall not realized how trashed and degraded places get when there arent enough resources to manage them? go for a long walk on anteros shoreline in the summer and youll see what i mean (beer cans, bait, cigs, trash EVERYWHERE). I once filled trash bags there and it depressed me how crummy of a person the average fisherman in this state is...
theres also sooooo much opportunity when it comes to fishing this state...if youre disgruntled with access at a specific spot...maybe, try somewhere else?
I am not complaining about the camping spots or parking access. I agree and understand. But, your mentality is precisely the problem when it comes to boat ramps and access. If they are increasing fees (doubling ANS sticker cost), but citing resources as the reason the lakes can't be open, that doesn't make sense. What the heck are we all paying $65 a year for then?
Its frustrating when you pay for a boat, register it, buy an ANS sticker, and can't use the lakes when they don't have ice on them. There are many lakes you can't even access outside of ANS hours because they lock the gates.
I'm all for protecting the waters, but there are better ways to do this that increase access and aren't such a strain on resources.
We don't really hate you but Colorado has been overrun and like our Lakes and roads and most everything else in the state, the state wasn't built for that many people and doesn't have the infrastructure to support all these people that are moving here. I understand all these people are paying taxes but it takes years to get caught up and we're far from that and in my opinion getting further away each year.
Reply by: adayspentfishing Posted: Apr. 5, 6:28:43 AM Points: 1
You pay full price because Colorado Parks & Wildlife charges you. You cant do anything about it. They are a business entity and don't care if you use their facilities or not. If you wanna fish or have access to state parks you will pay whatever they tell you to pay. Just as some of us can't afford to hunt deer because we have to buy a small game license to hunt big game now. When was the last time you voted for hunting or fishing rights.
Reply by: skiman Posted: Apr. 5, 8:16:12 AM Points: 2571
adayspentfishing, CPW does care if you use the facilities, and the fees associated with them are there to staff and maintain those facilities. I find your comment regarding a deer license ironic, in that it appears you can afford to apply for the draw, yet can’t afford a Small Game license to do so? CPW relies mostly on fees to operate. Just like driving, hunting and fishing is a PRIVILEGE, and not a RIGHT, and you pay the fees to enjoy that privilege! CPW is not a “business entity”’, but rather, a government division managed as one. The allocation and use of collected fees are determined based on need, just as in any business. I don’t always agree with some of the policies and practices CPW has in place,, but I can certainly see why some of them are necessary.
Reply by: MOJO Posted: Apr. 5, 9:34:47 AM Points: 506
I think the OP has a legitimate beef that he discussed with a park employee. When you're 70 and hitched up a bit or worse yet, in a wheelchair, it's much more than any entitlement feeling to want access. Who else is going to pay full price for anything, then have the rules changed after you've paid, and get less? What I see this labor shortage excuse is, is what I've many companies do during this pandemic... avoid losses at all costs and forget about the consumer. Just suck it up sheepishly, in other words. No thanks.
Reply by: adayspentfishing Posted: Apr. 25, 5:39:59 AM Points: 1
I cant apply for the draw for deer. Im handicapped and on a fixed income. I had $35 left in this months budget, I bought the small game license now I have no money for deer tag drawing. Ignorance is bliss.