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Lake: Teller Lake No. 5
Fish: Black Crappie

Fish ID white vs black crappie

Post By: stretchv0      Posted: 12/4/2020 10:21:17 AM     Points: 5    
About 10 years ago I caught this fish at Teller #5. I recently found this picture and attempted to determine if it is a white or black crappie and I am struggling. I know about the 5-6 vs 7-8 spines thing, but the 7th spine on this guy looks like it might not be a spine but rather part of the rounded part of the dorsal fin. I am trying to catch as many species of fish as I can and would like to know which one I can safely check off of the list.

Thanks,
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 12/4/2020 10:37:21 AM     Points: 66898    
I would say black crappie

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 Reply by: SGM      Posted: 12/4/2020 1:22:49 PM     Points: 16814    
Black Crappie for sure.
 Reply by: Smelly      Posted: 12/4/2020 2:09:13 PM     Points: 25806    
Hard to tell in the pic. But I think I can see a 7 th spine. And the pattern suggests a Black Crappie. So Iíll give it a third vote. I soooo hate agreeing with AWB on fish ID. Cause every time I do. I can hear Oll Fishseal firing up the bus that we both seem to end up under ! 🥶
 Reply by: not too old to fish      Posted: 12/4/2020 5:49:59 PM     Points: 6363    
Black crappie, no sign of vertical lines on the side.
 Reply by: stretchv0      Posted: 12/4/2020 10:01:27 PM     Points: 5    
Thanks everyone
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 12/6/2020 2:28:41 PM     Points: 3169    
Smelly,

You could be right about this one as well. :)

So, most likely it is a Black Crappie.

One of the things I was doing when I left the laboratory at CSU, was working on a paper regarding the crappie presence in the Upper Colorado River Basin.
However, because I lacked conclusive evidence (genetic), the paper will not be useful for identification.
One of the things I learned during my literature search is that when black and white crappie are both present in the same waterbody, hybridization can, and will mostly likely, occur. The amount of hybridization is dependent on the size of the body of water, the habitat available, and the density of both species.
An interesting topic is the genetics of the crappie. Apparently Black Crappie contain the dominant traits!! Some of the coloration characteristics that were once thought to be strictly Black Crappie, such as the "black nosed" crappie, can be present on some hybrids, but not present on White Crappie.
Another topic is the spine count. Eight and greater spines seem to be associated with Black Crappie and six and less with White Crappie. Seven spines appears to be both pure and hybrid Black Crappie.
Pigmentation can be somewhat of an indicator, but can be very subtle with hybrids and pure Black Crappie.
Dorsal fin length base compared to the length of the nape (posterior of the eye to the origin of the dorsal fin) appears to be helpful. White Crappie have a short dorsal fin and will usually fit within the nape around 1.3x. Pure Black Crappie have a long dorsal fin base and it will be greater than the nape. However (again, another caveat), crappie with a fin to nape length around 1:1, or same, could very well be hybrid, even though they also display either crappie species characteristics.

It truly was fascinating doing all the research and reading. However, I believe that some of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Looking at the general populations in the vicinity and the densities of the crappie. Most of the crappie I catch in Colorado are Black Crappie. However, Colorado does hold a few White Crappie. White Crappie do not hold a majority and since there are a few, the chances of them hybridizing with Black Crappie is possible.

Thanks for letting me rant. Beautiful fish!

FS
 Reply by: not too old to fish      Posted: 12/6/2020 8:07:14 PM     Points: 6363    
Thanks Seal, interesting points for sure. Cherry Creek Reservoir has both white and blacks and would be an interesting place to do more studies if you have the time and budget.
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