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Reopen Bonny

Post By: RogBow      Posted: 5/31/2020 7:03:07 AM     Points: 1871    
We really need to get that lake fixed, filled, and reopened with the high traffic our few ponds are getting here for walleye.

What are your thoughts on this?

 Reply by: COBowKill      Posted: May. 31, 8:00:06 AM     Points: 0    
Would be great to see it come back but probably lost forever.
 Reply by: SGM      Posted: May. 31, 8:03:46 AM     Points: 13384    
It would be great but not sure it will or can happen.

The Lake was drained and not refilled due to a 2003 Supreme Court decision Colorado was forced to honor. The ruling says Colorado owed the state of Kansas billions of gallons of water under a decades-old water-rights deal called the Republican River Compact.

Currently there is an effort to get it partially refilled but only time will tell if it will happen.

Do a search on Bonny Reservoir closed for more info.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: May. 31, 8:23:23 AM     Points: 1871    
I'd be ok with 99% that's still only partial. I was there catching nice walleye just a few days before the salvage order came down. I'm sure catfish remembers the every other cast swimbait action.

CPW could buy a minimum pool like they did for JM.
 Reply by: not too old to fish      Posted: May. 31, 9:44:01 AM     Points: 5235    
Water rights in the west have always been a struggle for a limited resource. The first step to filling Bonny is to understand who has legal rights to the water available and how much would be available to store in the lake.Once that is settled a plan could made to match the amount of water available and determine the size of the lake.
 Reply by: bron      Posted: May. 31, 6:16:08 PM     Points: 37348    
Pretty sure I went water skiing there in the 80s.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: May. 31, 6:22:12 PM     Points: 7473    
We used to do the cast and blast back in the late 70s . . .been dry a long time.
Kansas wants their water . . .
 Reply by: catfishking      Posted: May. 31, 7:35:19 PM     Points: 742    
I certainly do remember that was a Great Lake I really miss going there
 Reply by: kenny      Posted: Jun. 1, 6:13:44 AM     Points: 762    
I have deer hunted there since they closed it. Very strange feeling sneaking through an old camp ground with a 30.06
 Reply by: bigbear57      Posted: Jun. 1, 7:13:14 AM     Points: 646    
That was originally built to control flood waters from the republican. Funny how Kansas thinks it's fine to pull all the water from the lake ,but it OK to leave the dam in place to still control flash flooding. Man are we great neighbors or what?
 Reply by: Wreckstar      Posted: Jun. 1, 10:13:46 AM     Points: 1023    
I have family in Burlington, I grew up going to Bonny. I have a hard time believing that I will ever see Bonny full or partially full again in my life. Water rights and fights over them, will only get worse. That water is never coming back.
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: Jun. 2, 12:23:59 PM     Points: 6130    
From what I've seen, it is pretty much legally impossible to fill Bonny again unless the climate grows considerably cooler and wetter or irrigated agriculture becomes much less efficient again...both of which aren't happening.

Any plans for partial filling that I've seen don't include fishery objectives, and are instead focused on creating an emergent marsh for game and non-game wildlife.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jun. 2, 1:19:15 PM     Points: 1871    
The climate LOL
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: Jun. 2, 3:06:54 PM     Points: 6130    
It's already changed whether you like it or not, and it's obvious to every water user in the West. Climate's hotter and drier than it used to be, so much so that irrigation and farming practices (as well as water law) have changed rather dramatically in the last 30 years. Want proof? Let's start with the fact that Bonny is dry and it will never refill.

I think it's rather telling that farmers and water managers are already adapting and preparing for further changes without much if any political debate or discussion. If you don't already know about this kind of stuff, you must not be as country as you think...
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jun. 2, 3:13:31 PM     Points: 1871    
Thank you. I needed a good chuckle today.
 Reply by: ronco      Posted: Jun. 2, 5:22:24 PM     Points: 283    
I farm and brookieflyfisher knows what he speaks of.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jun. 2, 8:02:34 PM     Points: 1871    
Arkansas River, it's only 20 years. I will add others.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jun. 2, 8:11:05 PM     Points: 1871    
South Platte
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jun. 2, 8:21:39 PM     Points: 1871    
John Martin. A lot of water distribution to Nee Nosha, Queens, Ordway, etc.

 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: Jun. 2, 9:16:29 PM     Points: 29789    
Brookie is spot on. The fact that you find it funny, leads me to believe you donít really understand water in our state.

Itís not here for our recreation. We are allowed to recreate on THEIR water. Until they decide we cannot.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Jun. 2, 9:35:14 PM     Points: 62    
I don't know the guy and I cant see if he has a tongue-in-cheek smirk but my guess is dude is a successful comedian. Pops in in these topics. Thanks for lightening the mood. Pleasantly commenting.........
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: Jun. 3, 5:53:19 PM     Points: 6130    
Wow, impressive show of data RogBow! I really appreciate that, no BS. Based on what you've dug up, I can't blame you for your opinion. You're right, water supply hasn't changed much over time. But here's the issue: total water supply is only half the story to filling Bonny or any other western reservoir.

The other half to this story is *demand*. This is important. According to physics, a warmer atmosphere is capable of absorbing and moving around a greater quantity of water. That means two things: as the atmosphere warms, we might actually get *more* snow and more rain in the future. The problem is a warmer atmosphere also absorbs more water from crops. That means you need to irrigate more, oftentimes more so than the increase in supply. Add in population increases and you've got a significant increase in pressure on facilities that exist to make up the difference between supply and demand, particularly canals and reservoirs. Even if water supply were to increase, demand is increasing faster, to the point where we're starting to see demand outpace supply in some places (pic). When that happens, it's hard to fill reservoirs because they're drained to send water to irrigators or cities downstream. This may help explain my assertion that Bonny will probably never refill. It may also help explain why lakes Powell and Mead continue to dry up, too.

You can check my facts here: [log in for link]

But what's great is you don't have to believe me or the linked report. You can just look at what's happening on the ground with real people that have to live with these realities. I've already pointed out some of the changes, but it's also worth noting that changes like moving towards a water market or implementing LESA systems isn't just a "blue state thing". Even red-state Idaho and Utah are moving the exact same direction, even if they call it by different names like "drought management" or "conjunctive use".

So yeah, I hope you enjoyed this deep dive into water shortage adaptation in the West. You can contact me though my skipper link and I'm always happy to provide more resources. Thanks for the excuse to procrastinate at work!
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jun. 3, 6:33:12 PM     Points: 1871    
Thanks for the in-depth reply. We certainly agree on high demand, that's no secret.

Here's a chart showing the average temp in the US. A supposed increase of .15 deg per decade. If you look closely you can see it is linear. But this assumes there is actually an increase.

Thanks again for the work you do.

 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: Jun. 3, 7:50:53 PM     Points: 6130    
Nice! To get more specific, and more on-point to the discussion about Bonny, temperature increases are even clearer in the West and Colorado (see report I linked which contains the pic below).

Thanks for the solid discussion, RogBow, not often this kind of thing doesn't dissolve into name-calling. I'm glad there are some things we're both seeing as true, hopefully we're both able to walk away with more knowledge than before!
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Jun. 3, 8:55:07 PM     Points: 62    
There are many variables which affect the earth's climate from year to year. None of them are constant. Which one has the greatest influence? Be specific. Thank you.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Jun. 3, 11:30:23 PM     Points: 62    
This should take about 2 minutes for you. I am very interested in this topic.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Jun. 4, 11:54:07 PM     Points: 62    
I guess i'm not part of the Dockers commercial......... Drat.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Jun. 6, 5:23:05 AM     Points: 62    
I was really looking forward to having you educate everyone on the heavily weighted variables outside of mans control-specifically the biggest one. Measurements are fine and dandy in the classroom. You can flip a coin 1000 times and chart a trend. History shows that the weather is constantly changing. Ice ages came and went without any of our help. I guess the science isn't exactly settled yet eh? We appreciate your input though....
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: Jun. 6, 5:33:57 AM     Points: 7473    
Having grown up here in the Denver area (I'm 62) I remember the summer weather pattern we had here.In the afternoon (around 3 or4) it would cloud up and rain for 10 min.The clouds would blow away and we had a nice evening . . . . . .GONE!
I'm not here to debaite the facts . . . .things are dryer and hotter.Bonny is a lost cause . . . .sorry.

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