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No non-local resident visitors to Gunnison

Post By: SPECTRE      Posted: 4/4/2020 9:22:50 AM     Points: 6038    
Just had our reservations cancelled, per Health Department Order. No visitors who do not already live/have business in Gunnison County allowed until 4/30.
Per the Health Department Order: "Non-resident Homeowner" means a person whose Principal Residence is outside of Gunnison
County.
II. ORDER
A. All Events of more than one person occurring outside a Residence are prohibited,
except for the limited purposes expressly permitted in this Public Health Order.
Find the document here:https://covid19.gunnisoncounty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/5th-Amended-Public-Health-Order_Signed_Recorded_4032020.pdf
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: Apr. 4, 4:47:28 PM     Points: 2326    
You need to read the ENTIRE document. All of Gunnison County is under this order, and ANY non resident is subject up to a $5,000.00 fine, and possible jail time. Travel for commercial purposes, and for a few other situations are exempt. Sounds like theyíre serious folks!
 Reply by: El Jefe      Posted: Apr. 4, 8:10:32 PM     Points: 277    
So, if you own a second home in Gunnison, you can't legally visit it?
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: Apr. 4, 8:42:02 PM     Points: 2326    
As I read it, that is correct. Not until after April 30th. Sorry.
 Reply by: Ryan      Posted: Apr. 4, 11:28:14 PM     Points: 2171    
Absolute horse poop on this. And if pushed, it would never stand up in court.

Even if we are under "a state of emergency", we still have Constitutional rights and civil liberties.

I'm all for slowing down COVID-19, but it is insane the amount of freedom that government agencies are being allowed to take away.
 Reply by: SanJuan      Posted: Apr. 5, 5:37:46 AM     Points: 174    
But Gunnison County residents can leave said county in droves like lemmings and visit adjacent counties in order to purchase "essentials." How convoluted is that?
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Apr. 5, 8:42:36 AM     Points: 56    
I reckon that dad-gum FREEDOM is just gonna wipe out mankind.
 Reply by: El Jefe      Posted: Apr. 5, 8:44:08 AM     Points: 277    
Well, I guess non-resident homeowners in Gunnison can all expect a 1/12 reduction in their property taxes to compensate them for their loss of use.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Ain't going to happen.
 Reply by: MOJO      Posted: Apr. 5, 9:19:27 AM     Points: 529    
Sounds like some Nazis have taken over down there. Fascism has many faces.
 Reply by: Team CO.F.F.      Posted: Apr. 5, 10:17:29 AM     Points: 27    
yikes! Good to know thanks for posting, yet another delay in me getting to Blue Mesa lol. Maybe this summer I'll get out there.
 Reply by: Wmdunker      Posted: Apr. 5, 2:36:55 PM     Points: 387    
I wonder how the Gunnison County order squares with the State? This is from the CPW website. Maybe I will go fishing afterall.

Am I still allowed to fish and/or hunt?
Governor Polis's Stay at Home order and the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment's most recent Public Health order allow for continued outdoor recreation, including fishing and hunting.

CPW, along with the Governor's office, CDPHE and the CDC encourages people to take the local and state stay-at-home orders seriously, and limit travel wherever possible, even for approved recreation activities.

All hunters and anglers must have a valid license, and a valid park pass if recreating in state parks. Hunters and anglers should also check with their local municipal land managers, National Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, or US Fish and Wildlife Service office for specific closures and allowed recreation activities. Please respect any posted closures.
 Reply by: KayakerFishfinder      Posted: Apr. 5, 2:54:58 PM     Points: 14516    
One thing to consider which officials arenít saying out loud:

Gunnison county population: 17,000
People Infected with corona virus: 88
Local hospital care. Limited


Boulder county population. 326,000
People infected with corona virus. 143
Local hospital care Full services/equipment

It is spreading quicker there than other areas in the state and they are just trying to get ahead of it before it completely overwhelms their local hospital resources.
 Reply by: skunkmaster      Posted: Apr. 5, 3:25:21 PM     Points: 1030    
Yup. And at current best-guess projections, if you or someone you care about ends up being one of the few who need a ventilator, the process will probably include something like the picture, and in just another week or so the number you get will be "740" or larger. I.e., there'll be 740+ fewer ventilators than critically ill folks who need one "in minutes". Overwhelming of local medical resources is imminent.
 Reply by: Nmnm      Posted: Apr. 5, 3:34:18 PM     Points: 0    
My aunt was a nurse that worked in a specific vent unit in New Jersey.... someone in their 30ís may live. Someone 55+ will use all their savings to die on that ventilator. She watched it thousands of times. It is incredibly hard to come off a ventilator. My mom told me earlier today if she ends up on one to pull the plug for someone else... way it is. History plus medical science....
 Reply by: skunkmaster      Posted: Apr. 5, 4:56:54 PM     Points: 1030    
Poignant story there, Nmnm. Aside from the human suffering and tragedy parts, it would suggest some of the younger naysayers might want to run some scenarios on how this might affect their inheritances.
 Reply by: NoNick      Posted: Apr. 5, 5:00:24 PM     Points: 49    
"best-guess projections"

You've got that right. It was projected 10 days ago that this past Thursday NY would need 10,900 ICU beds. They actually needed 3,731.

Is Polis doing his best for the mountain communities like Gunnison? Is a fun mask contest really going to help them? Why is Ft. Carson going out of state when they need help?

It'll be interesting to hear the arguments about this business of the local health department being able to shut down an entire county after this is over. I totally agree with the poster who said that how is it OK for no one to go in there, but it's A-OK for them to leave?
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 5, 5:00:54 PM     Points: 8    
Pollis said Friday " Only in your area. Don't drive 40 miles to recreate". Some people don't get it!!! IF WE DON'T ALL DO THIS, WE ARE DOING THIS FOR NOTHING!!!
 Reply by: Walleye Guy      Posted: Apr. 5, 5:35:08 PM     Points: 112    
Reply by: NoNick Posted: 5:00:24 PM Points: 40
"best-guess projections"

You've got that right. It was projected 10 days ago that this past Thursday NY would need 10,900 ICU beds. They actually needed 3,731.


I caution that NY may not be thru this yet, that 3731 number may still go up.

And if this is the height of NY wouldn't that indicate that the remedies suggested and ordered by the pres, docs, scientists and governors are working?
 Reply by: Santiago84      Posted: Apr. 5, 6:06:49 PM     Points: 3970    
There is a historical precedent for this. Gunnison did something very similar during the 1918 pandemic and was one of the few places with deaths in the single digits. [log in for link]

Iím not saying itís right, they are just going back to the old playbook. Cat is already out of the bag in this one though. Back then I think they had a posse enforcing it on the edges of town.
 Reply by: NoNick      Posted: Apr. 5, 6:13:40 PM     Points: 49    
"I caution that NY may not be thru this yet, that 3731 number may still go up."

Actually, the projection made 10 days ago said that on April 2nd NY would need 10,900 ICU beds. They needed 3,731. That means the projection was way off. The needs for ICU beds probably will go up, but it's not going up from 10,900 like the model said. It's going up from 3,731..

Something is working, so let's keep whatever it is working going. There is no way the staying at home isn't working, because LA, NYC, and Chicago look like ghost towns. The problem is you can't do it forever.

The mountain communities in CO should be priority for military help out of CO, but that's just my opinion based on the no in or no out order in Gunnison.

 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Apr. 5, 7:47:21 PM     Points: 56    
Optimism. Faith. Hopefulness. Encouragement. Confidence.!!!!!!!
 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: Apr. 6, 8:24:49 AM     Points: 634    
Freedom - who needs it anyway eh....
 Reply by: shiverfix      Posted: Apr. 6, 8:50:47 AM     Points: 3758    
Please read about the spanish flu. They did all of this and more. Guess what, after the pandemic, it all returned to normal. The entire Greatest Generation is rolling over in their graves at how we are a bunch of whiny spoiled teenagers because we can't go fishing for a month.
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 6, 9:16:00 AM     Points: 8    
Not about freedom, politics, or media. I don't know if I have this. Neither do you. All people that innocently found out that they have been positive have said "Who did I give it to". Our actions might cause a war vet that fought for that freedom and had bullets flying over their heads to end up on a ventilator or worse. When somebody contacts this today that's another 14 day cycle. at that rate this will go on all summer. What will you do at ice off? Everybody has a me me attitude. Don't get me wrong. This is not just fisherman. It's anybody that thinks somebody else will do this for them or it's no big deal. Tell that to doctors or nurses that contact this. Our actions end up in their lap! Look at other countries. These people are serious. Some are shooting their citizens with rubber bullets. we need to have pride and change what we are used to doing for a short time. I need it as bad as anybody. When we get through this it will still be there. HOPEFULLY.
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 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: Apr. 6, 9:57:51 AM     Points: 634    
I understand and agree this is serious - not going to argue that. But when Wal-Mart is packed full of people and you tell me I cannot go out to 96 miles of shoreline to enjoy fresh air and sunshine with no one but my family around is infringing on my rights as a human. I dont give a$!* what you say - that is just a fact. I am not asking to go to town or anywhere near anyone. Gunnison county has how many acres of wide open land. Land people should be getting out on getting exercise and sunshine... but no - lets just all shut ourselves inside and watch CNN. BS
 Reply by: skunkmaster      Posted: Apr. 6, 10:40:08 AM     Points: 1030    
"Please read about the spanish flu. They did all of this and more. Guess what, after the pandemic, it all returned to normal. The entire Greatest Generation is rolling over in their graves at how we are a bunch of whiny spoiled teenagers because we can't go fishing for a month."

Well said.
 Reply by: skunkmaster      Posted: Apr. 6, 10:52:08 AM     Points: 1030    
" . . . But when Wal-Mart is packed full of people . . ."

Walmart's gettin' on board with things now.

[log in for link]
 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: Apr. 6, 11:48:15 AM     Points: 634    
You guys make sure you get in line for your handouts once all of your rights are taken away
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 6, 12:02:48 PM     Points: 8    
Yard Dogs, Why aren't you crashing your truck through all the gates they lock for the winter and calving? Is that infringement on your rights? They are doing this for a reason. What about the rights of someone that contacts this and has no idea how they got it! We ALL have to do our part. For every 1 that does it right, there is 3 that wont. You can watch the NEWS side of FOX. Not Hanity. They will say the same thing. Please watch something!
 Reply by: mackman16      Posted: Apr. 6, 12:19:25 PM     Points: 450    
I'm not talking sides, I think it would suck to have a cabin and not be able to use it. That said, according to the Colorado Dept of Public Health and Environment, Gunnison county has reported 513 cases per 100,000. Only Eagle county is higher, 617 per 100,000. Baca is 3rd with 253 per 100,000. For reference, Denver is 114, Douglas is 65, and Jefferson is 89 per 100,000. So, you have to ask yourself, why would you want to go to Gunnison knowing that the infection rate is reported so much higher? But these numbers are suspect to begin with since testing isn't complete.
 Reply by: NoNick      Posted: Apr. 6, 12:26:54 PM     Points: 49    
Here's an idea. Instead of letting the news interpret all the data for you, find the source of the data and look at it for yourself. It's shown a dramatic shift from showing what looked like the Apocalypse to something different. The death projections from the models people are thinking are the gospel have changed the total deaths in CO from multiple thousands in the next few months to hundreds. This is true for all states, and now there's 20 million people out of a job, many of whom who were hanging by a thread to begin with.

I got news for you- flu can be asymptomatic too. That said, the virus from Wuhan is a serious deal. There are many people in the United States that should still be alive, but they aren't thanks to the CCP.

We'll see if Gunnison takes a look at the new data and acts accordingly. The governor should be doing his best to help them out up there, but who knows.
 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: Apr. 6, 1:07:58 PM     Points: 634    
Guess I need to say this again for the people in the back

I DO NOT INTEND TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR OTHER PEOPLE OR THE TOWN. I AM TRYING TO ACCESS PUBLIC LAND - WHICH THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF IN GUNNISON COUNTY - FAR, FAR AWAY FROM ANYONE AND ANYTHING
 Reply by: mackman16      Posted: Apr. 6, 1:19:13 PM     Points: 450    
NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO. This is why I left my payside lapse and rarely come here to even the free side. Too many of IDIOTS THAT FEEL THE NEED TO YELL. This whole website became a joke about a year ago because OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: Apr. 6, 1:42:26 PM     Points: 56    
Storms reveal where we put our FAITH and TRUST. Mine certainly isn't in govt, man or the media. Man still can't cure the common cold, accurately predict the weather 1 week out, engineer a clock that matches our orbit or explain the many many scientific anomalies of water. Love your neighbor as yourself means to take good care of yourself and your neighbor. I don't see a problem with driving cautiously to fish 96 miles of shoreline while staying far away from any other humans.
 Reply by: SanJuan      Posted: Apr. 6, 2:05:42 PM     Points: 174    
Hilarious! Gunnison Maybery RFD issues edict that nonresidents cant enter their county, yet they allow their county residents to flood into Montrose and Salida to shop! Beyond comical! And, have lots friends fishing nearby waters. Do you think ANY law enforcement person will come up and suggest they leave? No, because the Gunny edict is NOT enforceable. NPS website says they are "OPEN.'
NO county or state entity can override Fed's position. Good try Gunny! Lake is open, lots friends fishing there! Spot on Brad!
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 6, 2:45:45 PM     Points: 8    
I hunt in the Gunnison area every year. I fish there much of the year. Politically not for either side but I know that there isn't much for grocery shopping in Gunny. I don't think many are going to Montrose and Salida for the fun of it. I have many frends there. They also don't have much for take out. Las Animas and Huerfano counties closed their counties way before Gunnison. They are rural counties and have to travel to bigger towns for groceries and meds too. Nobody complains that they closed their borders cause there is nothing to do there.
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 6, 3:06:01 PM     Points: 8    
SanJuan, feds have no say on states counties or state land. Public Health Departments have the right to close what they deem is right in a case like this.
 Reply by: Yotepounder      Posted: Apr. 6, 3:40:26 PM     Points: 12    
The powers that be are just trying to stop this from getting worse. And it can get a LOT worse. People are shopping the nearby towns because they need food. Can you not understand that. They are not coming there risking the town so they can fish 90 some miles of shoreline bla bla bla bla. I hate to say it but the virus is the cure for stupid, and there is a lot of stupid running their hole about what they want or what they are entitled to. People are dying, could be you,or a friend or a family member. You might have it right now. Does somebody close to you have to die before you morons get it. All of this risk to go fishing? I donít get it and I LOVE to fish. The part that sucks is innocent people will die because of a few dumb ones in the herd.
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 6, 3:59:22 PM     Points: 8    
Yotepounder, I only hope there is not as many of them as it seems. If there is...this could be a long long spring and probably summer.
 Reply by: Trotline      Posted: Apr. 6, 4:20:46 PM     Points: 884    
YPONDER Nce post. You said what I have been thinking. Some of the delivery companies are not going to Gunny so they have to go to neighboring cites for food and meds.
 Reply by: Yotepounder      Posted: Apr. 6, 4:25:55 PM     Points: 12    
The whole thing is really scary, (if you believe itís happening). I get how boring sitting at home is. Sucks. Iím in ElPaso county no laker fishing here. Rampart is probably to far ( not in my county). I believe Pikes Peak is still closed. Iím not fishing Quail or prospect lake lol! We all just have to give the sheltering a chance. Can any of you whiners imagine if you were a nurse or a doctor seeing all the death thatís happening every day no end in sight. Coming home to fish explorer to see all the poor fisherman bitching about their god given right to fish being messed with. Pathetic, should be embarrassed. Whatís next is the national guard with a black rifle on the corner making you do as you told..
 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 6, 5:59:59 PM     Points: 8    
Also have Crested Butte. They might want to eat something too.
 Reply by: skunkmaster      Posted: Apr. 6, 6:45:36 PM     Points: 1030    
I think the bottom line here is, with more free time than ever and unlimited information at our e-fingertips now, any one of us can go find stuff to support whatever argument we want to believe in on this subject.

I'm choosing to respect Gunnison County's decision in this challenging time. It may turn out it wasn't completely necessary, but I just can't fault them for trying to err on the side of minimizing risk of overwhelming their medical facilities.
 Reply by: SPECTRE      Posted: Apr. 6, 7:50:59 PM     Points: 6038    
Hey everyone, can we take a breath? I posted this as a news feed, not with the intent of starting a bunch of s***. Be that as it may, there are two kinds of rights. We all know about Constitutional rights. But there is also something called statutory rights. If you don't like the fact that the Health Department has this kind of Statutory Right, make your will known in November. Until then, to be clear, Gunnison County did not say specifically that you can't go to Blue Mesa Reservoir. They said there are no non-resident visitors allowed to the county. This may seem like a fine distinction, but it is one that would stand up in a State Court, like it or not. Let me ask everyone this... Would you put one bullet in a gun and put it to the head of some old man or woman and pull the trigger? If you come from a place that has this virus and go somewhere like Gunnison, that's what you're doing. Besides, unless you take gas cans, food, and find somewhere to sleep (camping in prohibited and hotels are not allowed guests without a special permit), what are you going to do? I'm an honorably discharged veteran, and I really don't like the precedent this is setting. but this is beyond any of us to control. Might be time to pick your fight ladies and gentlemen.
 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: Apr. 7, 8:43:28 AM     Points: 634    
SPECTRE - my apologies for my part in blowing this post up. I am just going to leave this here and step out. Tight lines to all - agree or disagree
 Reply by: Yakker      Posted: Apr. 7, 1:40:23 PM     Points: 12    
The way Gunnison and San Juan counties have made it an us against them deal is pathetic. I am doing my part and have no intention of crashing either of those counties at this time. However, i do recreate there and while I normally go out of my way to support the local guy, it will be a long time before I spend a dime in either of those counties.
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: Apr. 7, 2:06:08 PM     Points: 2326    
Yakker,
Yeah, thatíll show emí!
Theyíre only trying their best to protect their residents with their limited resources. Why is that so difficult to understand? It has little to do with ďfreedomsĒ or ďrightsĒ. Some people just donít, (or wonít), get it.
 Reply by: Walleye Guy      Posted: Apr. 7, 2:19:35 PM     Points: 112    
I can't wait to spend money in Gunnison and Chafee counties.....and it is getting closer every day.
 Reply by: Yotepounder      Posted: Apr. 7, 2:19:46 PM     Points: 12    
I think Gunnison county should ban all of you fools that are talking$!*. They are just trying to survive. All this whining and crying about me me me. So sad. Most of the fisherman I have had money dealings with have made me feel they are cheap. So keep your money and spend it elsewhere Gunnison and Blue Mesa will survive without the pittance your waffling about. Like a little kid that isnít gonna get his way..
 Reply by: Digginjiggin      Posted: Apr. 7, 5:19:01 PM     Points: 307    
Sooooo........
Now that we dangerous, nasty, moronic, stupid, letís see, what other adjectives have been thrown at two fishermen that wanted to fish in total isolation just 15 miles into Gunnison County by the expert health police from Colorado Springs, (where 1 bridge tournanent caused twice as many Covid19 deaths than the total of Montrose County) the question we in Montrose County want answered is where is the Gunnison County Sherriff stopping Gunnison County residents from leaving the county with the highest infection rate into our counties stores in close lines to infect us? Bullshit! The most vocal critics here have excused this as essential since they haveĒno FoodĒ. Yet there are three grocery stores there that have food plus Wal-Mart plus ten restaraunts with take out available. Stay the Hell out of Montrose and quit infecting us!!! Since yote and sowhat have so much time and authority and expertise, then go to your local grocery store, Walmartís, crowded trailheads etc and play cop there and enforce social distancing, and quit trashing good folks over here to make yourself look smarter than everyone else.
 Reply by: Digginjiggin      Posted: Apr. 7, 5:41:16 PM     Points: 307    
BTW Yote,
You driving 10 miles to recreate in ElPaso County is twice as dangerous as Brad driving 40 miles on Highway 50 to fish. See latest map comparing highway deaths per county, July 2018. Eight of our counties together had 4 deaths while ElPaso County had 31 by itself. The one in red. Talk about dangerous!!
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: Apr. 7, 5:43:28 PM     Points: 56726    
HEY!! there ain't no need drag The Springs into this! We're not the only place that has people that think they're omniscient
 Reply by: shmiley1      Posted: Apr. 7, 6:38:48 PM     Points: 2571    
I would put my 2 cents in, but it would just get your thread removed and end your arguements.

I will say today was the first time ive been able to buy something as simple as macNcheese up here in over a month. TP, MAYBE, lysol or bleach, hand sanitizer ect..forget it.





 Reply by: sowhat      Posted: Apr. 7, 11:44:33 PM     Points: 8    
Digginjiggin, I understand your frustration but there is a very small Safeway and a very small City Market in Gunny. That's it for GUNNISON COUNTY. Walmart has no food there. There is 3 fast food places with the new Arbys. That's it for the whole county. Not many restaurants normally and I doubt if many are serving take out. Crested Butte has nothing. Where are they going to take their sick. They don't have a lot for health care there. Normally they do fine. This is different. This is not forever. Nobody is trying to take away your rights. Many counties have shut down. They are just trying to stop the spread in their town. They aren't coming to yours because they want to. I put the rod down till this is over so we can all go again. That's my decision. As tough as this is I am staying home. I take a walk around here. That's my choice.You have yours. I respect that. We have to stick together. We are all americans. Lets get over this and get back to what we all love.


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