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Favorite leader knot?

Post By: RogBow      Posted: 1/12/2020 7:25:47 PM     Points: 1871    
Is it possible to beat the double uni?
 Reply by: Goosehunter82      Posted: Jan. 12, 7:41:58 PM     Points: 55041    
How use a double surgeon.
 Reply by: ScottyK      Posted: Jan. 12, 7:47:49 PM     Points: 139    
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: Jan. 12, 7:51:14 PM     Points: 58220    
FG will pass thru micro guides
 Reply by: oldblue156      Posted: Jan. 12, 8:16:03 PM     Points: 1869    
I use FG knot and it has yet to let me down
 Reply by: shiverfix      Posted: Jan. 12, 10:06:37 PM     Points: 3764    
I prefer the FG knot once I learned how to tie it. I've had the double uni catch on the eyes.
 Reply by: jibber      Posted: Jan. 13, 6:41:17 AM     Points: 15195    
What are the FG and J knots?
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jan. 13, 7:21:31 AM     Points: 1871    
J is half uni half improved clinch. FG is a braid with half hitches.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Jan. 13, 7:23:52 AM     Points: 1871    
I like the blood knot profile too. Might try that as well.
 Reply by: fishingmanlee      Posted: Jan. 13, 8:20:28 AM     Points: 176    
Double Albright
 Reply by: Raskal      Posted: Jan. 13, 10:11:48 AM     Points: 2759    
Double improved clinch knot (for braid to mono)
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: Jan. 13, 10:28:25 AM     Points: 6133    
For mono to mono the blood knot is king. For braid to mono the FG is the best.

Both of these knots are a little intimidating at first, but a quick trip through youtube will show you some great tips and tricks that really make both knots much easier than they seem. Throw in a little practice and you'll wonder why you ever did the double surgeon's or uni-to-uni.
 Reply by: jdavis      Posted: Jan. 13, 11:48:15 AM     Points: 103    
"FG is the best"

Based on what metrics? Can you tie it on a rocking boat in the wind in under a minute? Uni to Uni goes through micoguides no problem. Never had a uni to uni break, my drag gives way way before it would ever break. Uni to Uni is probably one of the easiest knots to dress and tie perfect every time.

Given the size of the fish here and the fact we are mostly fishing deep reservoirs there is no need for an FG. If you had to use locked drag on a 30#+ fish about to reef you, then I would get it. That is not the case here.

I cast all day using microguides and have no problems. That is using 15# smackdown with 8-12# floro leader. You can barely even see the leader knot.
 Reply by: shiverfix      Posted: Jan. 13, 12:44:45 PM     Points: 3764    
jdavis, I'll admit, the FG is overkill for most of what we fish for in Colorado. But to answer your question, yes, I have quickly tied an FG on a boat. Once you are used to it you can tie one pretty quickly. However, the smaller the line the harder the FG is to tie evenly. It definitely works best with heavy leader to braid such as you would use in saltwater fishing.

However, I found it because I was looking for something to replace the double uni because I absolutely would feel it thump over the guides during a cast.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: Jan. 13, 12:56:03 PM     Points: 58220    
jdavis - micro guides on what? Spinning rod? Bait caster? The uni to uni caused endless birdsnest on my micro guide bait casting setups. It's why I researched and found the FG. With that said, I'm not laying claim to what is good or best. Simply, that's how I came about finding the FG knot.
 Reply by: jdavis      Posted: Jan. 13, 1:05:04 PM     Points: 103    
The micoguides on my St Croix Legend Xtreme spinning rods. I cast 1/4 and 3/8oz blades on it all day with no problems. I do hear the knot slide past the guides sometimes. The only time I find myself getting wind knots is when its really cold and my guides start freezing up or the line freezes to the arbor of the reel.

When I used to cast with Fireline I would get wind knots often. I think that had to do with using new Fireline. With Seaguar smackdown I basically never get wind knots.

None of my baitcasting setups have microguides.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: Jan. 13, 1:17:25 PM     Points: 58220    
gave you a fins up cuz Legend xtremes are my fave rods. lol

I made really long leaders because tying on the toon is a pain. After you change lures a couple times, it's time for a new leader. So the knot would actually got almost all the way down to the spool on my bait casting setups. Thereby traveling thru all the guides.

on a spinning rod, it not so bad. But on the bait casters, that spool is MOVING and I mean fast. So while the double uni would go through, it would seriously slow down and then of course the birdsnest. I needed something that would cast better.
 Reply by: jdavis      Posted: Jan. 13, 1:22:32 PM     Points: 103    
That makes sense. I can imagine with microguides and really fast spool tension and braking setups that even the slightest hangup could really cause problems.

I can feel a fish fart 10 yards away with the Legend Xtremes! :D
 Reply by: Freestone303      Posted: Jan. 13, 1:49:34 PM     Points: 448    
FJ: braid to fluorocarbon
Surgeon's Knot: Fly leader to tippet
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: Jan. 14, 9:33:07 AM     Points: 6133    
I already answered but wanted to add a little more info and provide some youtube links for the uninitiated who may be wondering how to tie the FG knot. Then I got carried away haha.

I'll admit to being an FG convert from the dark days of uni-knot breakage, and now I can safely say I'm a missionary for the cause lmao. So if you're ready to be baptized into the superior knot religion, keep reading.

To me it seems like the problem people have with the FG is its perceived difficulty. It's stronger and lower-profile than the Uni, but it's definitely a little more complicated. Thankfully, there's a really simple trick that makes the FG knot much easier. Once you learn it I think it makes the FG easier than the Uni.

*GASP*! Did he really just say that??? Lord have mercy, prepare to be converted, children.

Here's the youtube link that changed my view on the FG knot and helped me tie it right, every time: [log in for link] also helpful: [log in for link]

Will you get the FG right the first time? Probably not. That said, did you get the Uni knot right the first time? Yeah, I'm guessing that's a "no" too. Practice makes perfect, and after the first few times you'll be able to tie the FG in a rocking boat in a snowstorm at night, no problem.

Hope this helps, Amen.
 Reply by: jdavis      Posted: Jan. 14, 9:59:57 AM     Points: 103    
definitely a great knot if it can be tied quickly.

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