Reply by: brookieflyfisher Posted: Jan. 13, 10:28:25 AM Points: 6133
For mono to mono the blood knot is king. For braid to mono the FG is the best.
Both of these knots are a little intimidating at first, but a quick trip through youtube will show you some great tips and tricks that really make both knots much easier than they seem. Throw in a little practice and you'll wonder why you ever did the double surgeon's or uni-to-uni.
Reply by: jdavis Posted: Jan. 13, 11:48:15 AM Points: 103
"FG is the best"
Based on what metrics? Can you tie it on a rocking boat in the wind in under a minute? Uni to Uni goes through micoguides no problem. Never had a uni to uni break, my drag gives way way before it would ever break. Uni to Uni is probably one of the easiest knots to dress and tie perfect every time.
Given the size of the fish here and the fact we are mostly fishing deep reservoirs there is no need for an FG. If you had to use locked drag on a 30#+ fish about to reef you, then I would get it. That is not the case here.
I cast all day using microguides and have no problems. That is using 15# smackdown with 8-12# floro leader. You can barely even see the leader knot.
jdavis, I'll admit, the FG is overkill for most of what we fish for in Colorado. But to answer your question, yes, I have quickly tied an FG on a boat. Once you are used to it you can tie one pretty quickly. However, the smaller the line the harder the FG is to tie evenly. It definitely works best with heavy leader to braid such as you would use in saltwater fishing.
However, I found it because I was looking for something to replace the double uni because I absolutely would feel it thump over the guides during a cast.
jdavis - micro guides on what? Spinning rod? Bait caster? The uni to uni caused endless birdsnest on my micro guide bait casting setups. It's why I researched and found the FG. With that said, I'm not laying claim to what is good or best. Simply, that's how I came about finding the FG knot.
The micoguides on my St Croix Legend Xtreme spinning rods. I cast 1/4 and 3/8oz blades on it all day with no problems. I do hear the knot slide past the guides sometimes. The only time I find myself getting wind knots is when its really cold and my guides start freezing up or the line freezes to the arbor of the reel.
When I used to cast with Fireline I would get wind knots often. I think that had to do with using new Fireline. With Seaguar smackdown I basically never get wind knots.
gave you a fins up cuz Legend xtremes are my fave rods. lol
I made really long leaders because tying on the toon is a pain. After you change lures a couple times, it's time for a new leader. So the knot would actually got almost all the way down to the spool on my bait casting setups. Thereby traveling thru all the guides.
on a spinning rod, it not so bad. But on the bait casters, that spool is MOVING and I mean fast. So while the double uni would go through, it would seriously slow down and then of course the birdsnest. I needed something that would cast better.
Reply by: brookieflyfisher Posted: Jan. 14, 9:33:07 AM Points: 6133
I already answered but wanted to add a little more info and provide some youtube links for the uninitiated who may be wondering how to tie the FG knot. Then I got carried away haha.
I'll admit to being an FG convert from the dark days of uni-knot breakage, and now I can safely say I'm a missionary for the cause lmao. So if you're ready to be baptized into the superior knot religion, keep reading.
To me it seems like the problem people have with the FG is its perceived difficulty. It's stronger and lower-profile than the Uni, but it's definitely a little more complicated. Thankfully, there's a really simple trick that makes the FG knot much easier. Once you learn it I think it makes the FG easier than the Uni.
*GASP*! Did he really just say that??? Lord have mercy, prepare to be converted, children.
Here's the youtube link that changed my view on the FG knot and helped me tie it right, every time: [log in for link] also helpful: [log in for link]
Will you get the FG right the first time? Probably not. That said, did you get the Uni knot right the first time? Yeah, I'm guessing that's a "no" too. Practice makes perfect, and after the first few times you'll be able to tie the FG in a rocking boat in a snowstorm at night, no problem.