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Braid vs Monofilament

Post By: johnski      Posted: 12/1/2019 8:56:41 AM     Points: 5291    
I am thinking about using braid on one of my spinning outfits instead of the usual 6 pound test monofilament. I am curious to know if others use braid, how it casts, tangles etc. and it's overall performance. I noticed that 15 pound braid is quite thin yet appears very strong. Thoughts appreciated and thanks.
 Reply by: Skookshunter      Posted: Dec. 1, 9:15:06 AM     Points: 2758    
Braid casts much easier than mono. Braid has no line memory so tangles are typically not an issue. Any tangles that do occur are typically the result of poor line lay on your reel spool resulting in wind knots. Braid is much thinner and stronger than mono. However, there is no stretch to braid. This creates more sensitivity but no stretch means less forgiveness when you actually hook a fish so you have to be more careful when reeling in your fish. Most guys using braid tie on a leader to the end of it as well. Usually they use flourocarbon but you can use mono as well. I use braid to mono leaders for the stretch when throwing blade baits so that the fish have less leverage when trying to shake free. Long story short, I would encourage you to make the switch but hold on to your mono and purchase some flouro as well for leader material.
 Reply by: johnski      Posted: Dec. 1, 9:27:53 AM     Points: 5291    
Do you think fish see braid and better than mono? Or is it just for the flex it offers? Thanks!
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: Dec. 1, 9:40:00 AM     Points: 53365    
in SouthPark the braid drops my bite exponentially. Using a flouro or mono leader eliminates that issue. However, on my float tube or inflatable pontoon, I am very limited on how many rods I can carry. So after you retire a couple lures, your leader now needs to be replaced. So I've pretty much switched back to fluroclear, which serves my needs pretty well. I don't like using time tying new leaders on while I'm on the water.
 Reply by: Anteroman      Posted: Dec. 1, 10:04:11 AM     Points: 4234    
Johnski,
I do still fish with a Rocket Launcher, AKA spinning rod occasionally. About ten years ago I switched all my reels to Berkeley braid line. For a couple years I used a flouro tippet as I normally fish very clear water primarily on the Arkansas and the Frying Pan as well as the South Park lakes that vary in clarity.
I use 1#/4# on my U/L reels, size 1000 and 2#/6# on my 2500 size reels.
I have never broken a line with a fish on including a 42Ē twenty three pound pike I caught at Spinney last year on an ultra light.
I quit using a tippet or flouro top shot about eight years ago and noticed no difference in the number of bites. I tie a small size 1 snap directly to the braid with an improved clinch knot using ten wraps on the 1#/4# and eight wraps on the 2#/6#,
I know many excellent spin fishermen swear by tippets either mono or flouro, for me, the Albright I used to use is a pain to tie especially under adverse conditions, the improved clinch to the snap you can tie in the dark with your eyes closed when itís snowing. JMHO
BILL
 Reply by: malty falcon      Posted: Dec. 1, 12:22:08 PM     Points: 6179    
Johnski,
My take is if you are prepared for frustration, you are ready for braid! First couple of trips will involve tangles, knots failing, and vicious wind knots when 10 yards of line shoots off the reel and wraps around the guides.

It's a trade-off, though, because you can cast further, with few break-offs. I exclusively use braid for the increased sensitivity, better hook-setting power, and lack of coiling lines.

Two weeks ago, we were fishing 70' of water at Blue Mesa. My buddies with mono couldn't detect the bites very well, and could not properly set their hooks into the small browns. With braid, I was having a blast!

Good luck, and remember, when tightening knots, the braid will easily cut your fingers!
 Reply by: i2fly      Posted: Dec. 1, 12:34:05 PM     Points: 1842    
Iím a fly guy. I donít spin fish. But if I did Iíd probably utilize a tippet ring and use fluoro to the business end. Best of both worlds. Improved cinch knot both sides.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: Dec. 1, 4:50:55 PM     Points: 1663    
There are co-polymers that are the best of both worlds. Just the right amount of stretch and no leaders no worry about.
 Reply by: johnski      Posted: Dec. 1, 5:48:38 PM     Points: 5291    
Copolymer lines? never heard of them but will look into them. Thanks for all your responses. Guess I will experiment with a number of your suggestions and see how it goes.

Johnski
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: Dec. 1, 8:04:02 PM     Points: 63063    
Power pro is what I use on everything I own. I use a 3 to 4 foot XL or XT low vis green leaders. I only cast about 30% of the time but works great for me. The sensitivity of power pro is awesome.
 Reply by: GoNe_FiShIn_11      Posted: Dec. 1, 9:02:24 PM     Points: 7483    
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These are the two lines I use any more. This braided line is just as good if not better then the name brands. Without the heavy price tags.

I like the straight Floro for the finesse presentations. I have change most everything over to braid but keep at least one with floro. I guess itís just personal preference.
 Reply by: Skookshunter      Posted: Dec. 1, 9:22:09 PM     Points: 2758    
Copolymer is a hybrid of mono and flouro. For a few years it replaced mono for me but I found it to sink and would ruin the action on my topwater lures. I switched back to mono for the buoyancy and now use my leftover copolymer for backing. If you are looking to get more "advanced" in fishing then you'll discover that anglers utilize different lines for different presentations and that's one reason why they accumulate so many rod/reel combos. If you're looking to keep things simple and dont want to buy a bunch of combos then I'd suggest using braid (10 lb. Power pro is hard to beat) and you can experiment with mono or flouro leaders too. As for your question of if fish can see the braid better than mono... probably but it also depends on water clarity. If the places you fish have dirty water then it probably wont affect the bite too much. Many of our waters are clear in Colorado and in that case it may decrease the number of bites you get. Personally I always have a leader tied on with two exceptions: fishing frogs over mats and punching through the mats.
 Reply by: jdavis      Posted: Dec. 2, 3:06:21 PM     Points: 42    
One thing worth noting is that not all braid is created equal. For vertical jigging I don't think it matters much what braid you use. If you are casting I suggest a super slick braid like Seaguar Smackdown. I find I can cast way farther with it and have less wind knots than something like Fireline.

The other thing thats nice about Smackdown is its a lot more supple when new than Fireline. So when casting with a spinning rod the line is not trying to jump off the spool. Fireline when new is a little stiff and has a tiny bit of memory, smackdown has virtually no memory, even when its brand new.

The one thing that sucks a little with super slick braids is you will need a backing or tape when using spinning gear. I never needed this with fireline.
 Reply by: Digginjiggin      Posted: Dec. 2, 6:16:07 PM     Points: 289    
I keep it simple with 10# Nanofil and Seaguar fluoro leader in all my fishing except panfish, 6# yellow mono works well for that, plus walleye n nightcrawler uses where you need a line that wonít get away from the bite too fast. The instant hookset from the braid and the longer cast with less torque on my slipped discs in my neck made Nano better for me. Vary leader length with water clarity and size of fish. The bigger fish need a longer leader for some more shock absorption and fewer lost fish. I usually use back to back uni-knots except when jogging with spoons where I use a tiny swivel instead at the leader to Nano splice.


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