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Fish: Kokanee


Post By: Gunner      Posted: 9/7/2019 4:47:41 PM     Points: 10    
When do the kokanee start running and the best time to go. Green Mountain of Eleven Mile
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: 9/7/2019 7:13:42 PM     Points: 2308    
Snagging is not allowed at Eleven Mile. If it were, it would be stated in the regulations as being open to snagging with specific dates.
Usually the middle to end of September is the start of the run at Green Mountain, with snagging season opening September 1st.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 9/8/2019 4:48:00 AM     Points: 6546    
Gunner . . .have you looked into the CWPs Koke giveaway?
The CWP nets Kokes at several places and strips the eggs and sperm.When that's done,they give away the fish(no loss of meat to a bloody hole) Get in touch with CWP and find out when and where the nets are going to be. Its a way better to get kokes then combat fishing elboo to elboo with who knows who.
 Reply by: ScottyK      Posted: 9/8/2019 6:44:14 AM     Points: 80    
Wolford give away...worked side by side with Jon Ewert cleaning eggs on the barge...smoked some and canned some.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: 9/8/2019 8:08:31 AM     Points: 1663    
What pressure cooker do you use for canning? That is something I want to get into.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 9/8/2019 3:31:24 PM     Points: 6546    
Scotty K . . . .you got the idea right! That's a long time at the cleaning table!
 Reply by: rodmans      Posted: 9/8/2019 8:14:03 PM     Points: 5848    
Canning is the best for the taste. I use the American pressure cooker. Look it up on the internet lotsa info. Canned fish is the best.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 9/9/2019 11:53:17 AM     Points: 6546    
Any of you canners,willing to let me sit in on a canning job for koks. I'm looking to expand my ways of preserving my fish and canning looks like a good way to do that.
Thank you
ScottyK . . . .please give me a shout ""
 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: 9/9/2019 7:47:27 PM     Points: 28144    
HP, Iíve never canned meat/fish.. but itís really easy!

Iíd recommend starting with something easy to learn the basics like pickles, tomatoes, marinara, etc.

The learning curve exists mostly in ďhead spaceĒ or how full you make the jars, pressure and time.

A pressure canner is the only way to really do it right IMO.

I typically can put away 20qts of peeled tomatoes and marinara a year from the garden.

Kind of like downriggers. Sounds complicated when you look from the outside in, having not used one. But turns out to be super easy and effective.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 9/9/2019 8:29:25 PM     Points: 6546    
I hear you Ajax,thats why I want to do some watch and learn/hands on canning with someone that knows what they are doing.Canning can be a great way to preserve food . . .I hear you can get really good and sick if your canning ain't done right.

 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: 9/9/2019 8:36:36 PM     Points: 28144    
Yeah.. botulism can kill.

Thatís the point of the pressure canner. Gets to temps higher than boiling water due to increased pressure. Then keep it at that pressure for whatever time the chart says.. anything alive in the jar is cooked to death. Bacteria etc.

As the jar cools, it seals and is held in vacuum. So, nothing can get in.

I still try to use it all up within about a year. Just put the new stuff at the back of the shelf.

Iíd offer to show you, but I typically do batches on a total whim. The tomatoes decide when they are ripe.. not me. Hahaha
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 9/9/2019 8:42:54 PM     Points: 6546    
I'm going to hold out for hands on when it comes to the fish . . .I'll go kick some tires on U-tube and see what I can learn . . . .I'll also keep the doors open on this thread as not everyone is on here at the same time.
 Reply by: speck      Posted: 9/12/2019 8:52:51 PM     Points: 60    
anybody try an Instant Pot for canning?
 Reply by: xavierk31      Posted: 9/13/2019 3:01:19 AM     Points: 946    
Make sure you donít snag anywhere o the Dream Stream, either. Not allowed anywhere on the Platte if memory serves me. And also if it IS allowed it would be stated.
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: 9/13/2019 9:05:18 AM     Points: 2308    
Definitely NOT allowed anywhere on the Dream or South Platte either!
 Reply by: Wacokid57      Posted: 9/13/2019 10:01:39 AM     Points: 11    
You can fish for kokanee in the Dream Stream...flies and lures rules apply. Back when the population was thriving it was great fun to swing a purple and pink streamer through the holes, or drift a salmon egg fly. BUT, the fishing is also strictly catch and release. Even for carp. i don't know if there are enough kokanee in the lake to support a trapping station in the river this year. They have been decimated by gill lice.
 Reply by: xavierk31      Posted: 9/13/2019 10:16:52 AM     Points: 946    
Iíve actually never really understood why you canít keep any Kokanee in the Dream. But I guess if people are bad with fish ID or if people wanna just break the law they can say about a post spawn brown- hey look at what a nice Kokanee.
Thatís the way it was explained to me by another local anyway.
 Reply by: Wacokid57      Posted: 9/16/2019 10:08:42 AM     Points: 11    
Once upon a time I was walking the banks of the Dream Stream below the kokanee trap, looking for a gap in the crowd to try for some kokanees. I came upon a very natty fellow in brand new fly fishing duds and a rod/reel worth more than my car. I asked him how it was going and he said he had caught several nice brown trout. At that point he hooked and landed a fish on an egg fly, and said "See, another nice brown". I had to break the news to him that he was catching kokanee. The reverse could happen. To protect the big lake fish from harvest, I think the best bet is total catch and release. IMHO.
 Reply by: xavierk31      Posted: 9/16/2019 1:01:55 PM     Points: 946    
Which was the way it was explained to me, wackokid, and I totally get that, so yes I agree with you. It just seems almost laughable to me that it could happen.
But, that's coming from someone who's been fishing since, well, as long as he can remember, and new people are getting into it all the time I suppose. So maybe I'm being too harsh
 Reply by: gsn1574      Posted: 9/16/2019 4:24:32 PM     Points: 733    
Kokanee information

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 Reply by: wingman13      Posted: 9/17/2019 11:29:18 AM     Points: 788    
Thanks for the link GSN, great information!

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