Post By: anglerwannabe Posted: 7/29/2019 7:18:15 PMPoints: 55305
Hey all, this weekend I was on The Mile.. Saturday late afternoon til almost dark. Storms had rolled in and out. I jumped on the water after a storm rolled through and while the wind wasn't too bad, it was going pretty good. What do I see? 3 young girls somewhere between 12 and 14 out on SUPs. Do you think any had any safety gear? Life vests? Anything NNOOOO they didn't .
Of course it wasn't too long before the winds picked up more. Luckily the girls got off the water. First, South Park is not a good place for paddle boarders. And for crying out loud, if you do.. wear a life vest. As an adult, go ahead and make that decision for yourself. As a parent... they're children, make that decision for them with no room for debate. No life vest, no SUP.
The kids can probably swim.. got it. But it won't account for falling in heavily choppy water, or getting whacked by the SUP as you fall in. Or the ridiculous weeds south park waters get.
Whether you're a SUP rider or any other water hobby.. please wear your life vests. Especially on those waters.
I always wear mine and in the event I know I'm riding choppy water, I have a bungy with carbines that latches to the toon and me. If I go over, the toon or tube won't get away from me.
If "The Mile" is 11-Mile Res, I thought it, like all South Park reservoirs, were "No Contact Waters", or whatever DWB and Aurora call it when you can't swim, ski, scuba, etc. No bodily contact with the water> Am I interpreting that wrong? IMO no one should be SUP-ing there in the first place.
Reply by: elkinthebag Posted: 7/30/2019 1:51:11 AM Points: 2088
Not to even say anything about the how fast the cold water drains strength and heat from your body. Sup is no necessarily water contact. There are a ton on aurora reservoir and water skiers on eleven mile at times I am sure it isnít against auroras rules yet.
Reply by: anglerwannabe Posted: 7/30/2019 8:13:49 AM Points: 55305
idle - I know Spinney is a no water contact body, but not sure about 11 Mile and Antero. If it is true there, the enforcement at 11 Mile is very lax. I can live with folks being on a SUP.. but agree with you.. 11 Mile and SP waters are probably not the place for them.
elk - I've never see water skiers on the mile, but have seen jet skis... once. lol
this is topic that I've seen on the forum before, SUPs and no safety gear. As adults we can make that decision and then deal with the repercussions. Children should not make this sort of decision on their own. Even more so on high mountain lakes, with horrible wind possibilities, heavy weeds and cool to cold water. Have read too many times where experienced swimmers drown because they get caught in the weeds, panic and drown.
Reply by: shiverfix Posted: 7/30/2019 8:22:32 AM Points: 3732
From the CPW website. "All types of boating are popular on this large reservoir including: Kayaking, canoeing, sailing and motor boating. Water-body contact activities including scuba diving, water-skiing, wading (without waders), swimming, etc., are prohibited. "
Reply by: Abel1 Posted: 7/30/2019 8:48:59 AM Points: 206
I agree with AWB. Even if your Michael Phelps your first line of defense should be a PFD and your swimming abilities second because you never know what will happen. I am speaking as someone who went over the bow when I let an inexperienced driver drive the boat as we were approaching the shoreline at Cherry Creek. I was concerned about beaching the boat so I was keeping an eye out for rocks and of course he wasn't familiar with the throttle. Luckily for me I was able to grab the bow rails on the way out of the boat over 20' of water and this was on one of those 90 degree clear sky days. To this day I will not allow anyone to go on any boat I am on whether it be a guided trip or a rented boat without a PFD. If anyone one is going to lose their life that day because of a boat accident it better be me because I wouldn't be able to live with myself afterwards. Can someone explain "water contact"? If it isn't allowed at Spinney then why are we allowed to wade and use float tubes? I would guess I would be in violation if I was wading in my bare legs as opposed to using waders? If you get caught with your toes in the water at Cheesman your in big trouble. Do these rules apply differently in each water?
Reply by: idlerick Posted: 7/30/2019 10:06:55 AM Points: 4
Shiver- Thanks. That's exactly what my impression was I just didn't have the detailed words at hand. And Yes, Abel, technically you'd be in violation wading bare-legged. They do not want people engaged in a sport that puts them uncovered in the water. AWB- Antero is No Contact, I'm positive. Apparently 11-Mile is too. They're both DWB. Spinney is Aurora. Rules there are not the same as Aurora Res.and I'd bet Spinney is like Antero and 11-Mile.And Strontia. I've never seen a skier at any SP res. That would NOT be welcome at all. I have seen SUP's on Antero, right near the south ramp. I'm surprised the ANS guys aren't all over them. Maybe we need to report the violators more.
Reply by: SirGreg88 Posted: 7/30/2019 10:59:10 AM Points: 44
I have waded in Antero and 11mi with just my tennis shoes and shorts. Rangers didn't seem to care at all. Im sure they could throw the book at you if you were drunk or doing something really stupid. I have an incurable disease so downstreamers better buy bottled water. Its called a fishing addiction...ÖÖ.AGHHHHH!
So, if using a SUP is considered water contact, then what about float tubes, belly boats, rafts, canoes, etc? You have to make contact with the water to use those too? Donít get me wrong, I find them just as annoying as everyone else does. But that doesnít mean that they donít have just as much right to use the water.
I think people are missing the point. No body/water contact means no bare body parts in the water. All 3 of these impoundments are water supplies, so it makes sense to have these rules in place. As conscientious and privileged users of these resources, we should respect and abide by these regulations, no questions asked. (This is just my opinion, and I have been told I probably have a screw loose!)
Not to get off the original subject but I always wondered why our body contact with the water is worse than the oil slicks you see on top of the water in the marinas. Ever walked the docks at Chatfield? Holy cow! Not to mention the urine and feces that the cows carry down the back of their legs when they walk down to the shoreline at Spinney to get a drink. Check out the colors of those feeder creeks. Yikes!
I believe body contact was originally prohibited in all water supply reservoirs because of contamination concerns, but modern day water treatment methods have negated these worries. The main concern now, and maybe someone can research this for us, is that water, even in summer, in high lakes is just too cold to be safe. That's why wet wading is ignored, but water skiing is banned. SUP's have the same risk - you fall in away from shore and the cold temps can disable you before you can be rescued. Antero is about 66 degrees now Spinney/11-Mile are colder (deeper). That's not fatal, but it's danged uncomfortable. How long can a person tread water at 66 degrees? Plus, what do you do, have the Rangers measure the water temp every day and declare it safe/unsafe for swimming? Is skiing OK in July but not in May? There's no good way to control it. Look at our lower reservoirs. They're all run over with the ANS's. Boaters ski at Powell, Pueblo, C/C, etc and would come to 11-Mile with ballast tanks full of snails. Read up on Green Mountain and see what allowing bodily contact can do to a W/S res. You open it up to divers, SUP-ers, swimmers and snails aren't far behind. And the first one they find will close the lake to fishing immediately.
There is nothing on your body that would not get filtered out in the water treatment process. Nothing. The fish always poop in the water, they never poop anywhere else the water needs to get treated before people drink it. Even the stinkiest dirtiest Californian does not have anything on their skin to contaminate that entire lake.
well this took an interesting turn. Started off about being safe and is now a discussion on what water contact is. Very cool guys, good discussions all the way around
Abel - ummmmm I agree? lol no boats with gas engines should be allowed to launch any water I fish!! All kidding aside, is interesting I'm not supposed to physically touch the water, but gas engines can.
As for the no contact subject.. I was getting off of Spinney and a Ranger met me at the south boat dock. She was all pleasant and chatty as I was coming in. Then I made THE mistake. Hopped off my toon into the water and not wearing waders. She had a cow. Didn't get a ticket that day, but got a serious lecture about the rules. FYI on my toon I have a standing platform and with the raised seat it is more like sitting in a car so my legs aren't in the water.
Whether or not the water can be treated or not isnít the issue. The problem is folks pushing the envelope when it comes to following established rules. Sure, weíve all said ďwhat the heck, it doesnít matterĒ...but often times it DOES matter. I appreciate being able to fish the South Park reservoirs, and I would hate seeing my access restricted or banned because people didnít think the rules applied to them. This refers to all forms of unwanted water contact for anyone using these resources.
By the way, to get back on topic...using ANY watercraft without a PFD is just asking for trouble. Be smart, be safe, always wear your PFD!
Reply by: Ajax5240 Posted: 8/1/2019 10:11:06 AM Points: 28174
Not arguing that rules should be broken if we donít see the sense in them. Would be interesting to hear the reasoning behind the water contact rules. I wonder if itís more water/recreating rights related than a contamination issue?
Reply by: mackman16 Posted: 8/1/2019 10:53:08 AM Points: 450
Question for AWB about the no-contact with the water. Was the problem with the park ranger for not wearing waders in general or because your feet/skin/shoes actually touched the water? I was thinking of getting a toon like yours but seems uncomfortable on hot days to wear waders on a toon like yours on a no-contact lake.
Reply by: skiman Posted: 8/1/2019 10:59:14 AM Points: 2308
Ajax, Could be several reasons...weather, water temperature, liability, recreation control, or ďjust becauseĒ. I donít think itís just a body-contact issue. Whatever the reason, we are guests at these reservoirs, and the owners do have the right to enact any restrictions they choose. Better these regulations than not being able to access these waters at all.
Reply by: Freestone303 Posted: 8/2/2019 11:19:05 AM Points: 442
I was up a few weeks ago and there were a bunch of paddle boarders and a few PWC/jetskis whipping around blasting some garbage music. I had to help a guy who flipped his little sit inside kayak and didn't have his life vest on. Luckily I had rope in my kayak so I towed his to shore and had him swim in. People are ignorant to the dangers of South Park lakes, it doesn't matter how they choose to recreate.