Post By: motoxxx43 Posted: 2/4/2019 9:28:05 AMPoints: 1868
It looks like there are some changes for Pueblo Reservoir possession limits and sizes for 2019. Multiple species are effected in this new provision AND some dates for fishing the dam. Im curious to others' opinions on these new limits. Im especially in favor of the greater than 21" one fish bag limit on the walleye/wiper and even the lowered bag on Wiper to 5. Not being a biologist Id like to think this will lead to more quality fish coming out of this body of water. (That is of course if people actually follow these rules)
2019 Pueblo Reservoir - Pueblo County a. The minimum size for largemouth, smallmouth, and spotted bass is 15 inches in length. b. The bag and possession limit and minimum size for walleye and saugeye is five fish in the aggregate, 18 inches in length. c. No more than one walleye or saugeye in the aggregate greater than 21 inches in length may be taken per day. d. The bag and possession limit for crappie is ten fish. e. The minimum size for crappie is 10 inches in length. f. The bag and possession limit for wiper is five fish. g. No more than one wiper greater than 21 inches in length may be taken per day. h. Underwater spearfishing is allowed for the take of channel, blue and flathead catfish with an aggregate bag and possession limit of five fish and for wiper with a bag and possession limit of five fish. i. Fishing is prohibited from the dam and within 100 feet of the dam or walleyes spawning operation nets, from March 1 through April 15, or until walleye spawning operations are completed. j. It is unlawful to possess filleted or cleaned fish in a boat on the lake.
Reply by: SGM Posted: Feb. 4, 10:20:51 AM Points: 8039
I had seen this a proposal before but have not seen it as an approved regulation. The only changes are to the crappie and wiper limits/lengths and dates on the dam. Guess time will tell if we see any increase to the quality of the crappies and wipers.
I have a few friends who work for the DOW and like SGM mentioned have heard of these before and also there was a public discussion last year at the park about these changes, although I am no Biologist and certainly leave the "lake Management" up to the peeps who are far more educated in that specific field then I am, but the idea of this park producing monster wipers including state records before/currently/future is a thumbs up in my book.
Reply by: motoxxx43 Posted: Feb. 5, 9:15:06 AM Points: 1868
I didnt want to jump the gun on these but I read them entirely (minus the bodies of water I dont fish) and on the very last page found this: "EFFECTIVE DATE - THESE REGULATIONS SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2019 AND SHALL REMAIN IN FULL FORCE AND EFFECT UNTIL REPEALED, AMENDED OR SUPERSEDED.
APPROVED AND ADOPTED BY THE PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION OF THE STATE OF COLORADO THIS 15TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2018"
Between myself and the 3 people I typically fish with we took home a whopping 3 fish for all of 2018 out of hundreds caught. I know for a fact we want to see more quality fish come out of this lake.
I saw that effective date and thought it strange that it would be 01 Jan 2019 when the current printed regulations run thru 31 March 2019. Also I see no where on the CPW home page stating anything about these new laws. It would seem only appropriate that there would be an article posted on the main web site addressing this.
I don't see the laws as negative just feel CPW should inform the public because as it stands now very few fishermen would know these laws exist.
They are closing the dam early because they knew i was catching keeper walleyes off of it the first 2 weeks of March. Wouldn't want fisherman to actually get into some good fish. Just take their money and bend them over!!!
Longbow, I do agree with you that folks need to know the rules/laws however, I said it would be appropriate for the CPW to notify the public when new laws are passed. They informed the public about the new fees for 2019 on the main CPW web site, they certainly can say something about new laws that fall outside of the current fishing regulation book. Perhaps CPW does not have a legal obligation to inform the public but they certainly do have a moral obligation to us.
I think people sometimes forget CPW staff are State employees. As such, they work for the citizens of the State of Colorado. They absolutely have the responsibility to inform folks of ANY changes to the regulations or laws, be it by PSA, news release, printed materials, signage, or by any other means available. I agree we should be aware of the rules, but if CPW neglects to inform the public, how will we know what the changes are, and if we are violating some new rule or regulation? They most certainly have that obligation .
@SGM and skimask I disagree 100%. When you buy your license, you are acknowledging that you will KNOW AND ABIDE BY the regulations. I knew about these regulation changes the day they took affect. That is my job. I don't even fish for crappie and wiper at PLO although I fish Pueblo plenty. Personal accountability goes a long way. And all the crying about enforcement? Think they could spend more time enforcing regs if they didn't actually have to explain regs to almost anyone they make contact with?
Reply by: SGM Posted: Feb. 9, 8:44:34 AM Points: 8039
Longdraw, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I commend you for keeping abreast, understand and obeying fully every federal, state, county and city law, rule, and regulation. That is quite an accomplishment. It must be difficult for you to travel. After making all the travel plans, then reading every applicable law, regulation etc. for every jurisdiction you pass thru must be extremely time consuming. Good luck and tight lines.
Reply by: skiman Posted: Feb. 9, 10:45:15 AM Points: 2028
longbow, How is it you knew about the changes in the regs as soon as they went into effect? TV, radio, CPW website, the Chieftain, a sign? My point is the information has to be clearly stated in some manner before any enforcement can take place. I agree there are a lot of folks who just plain don’t read, (or follow,) the regs, but that’s a whole different story. As a concientious sportsman for over 60+ years, I have known and adhered to the rules as I have understood them. Any changes or amendments have been either printed, posted, or otherwise disseminated. Your argument regarding what you must know and agree to when buying a license is an invalid one. I agree these changes will be good for the fishery.
Reply by: bluecollarguy Posted: Feb. 9, 11:00:20 AM Points: 43
Heck, many of the Boulder County have a disclaimer on property entrance signage that users are responsible for knowing and following all rules and regulations. They (Boulder County) Open Space appear to issue more citations than CPW from what i've seen as well haha
At the end of the day if the state stocked or managed a species in any way, i'd be happy with stricter general statewide regulations as i'm pretty sure CPW wasn't chartered to feed the poor or provide table fare to the general population. As the state population grows and water resources become more the focus, the fishing pressure increases every year as well. Their general stance is the opposite, instead of making exceptions for stunted or poor growth lakes it ends up being a catch up or reaction policy. Of course ignorance of the rules will always exist and there's only so much you can do about that.
<enjoyed many fine fillets over the years, but 99% of my fishing is C&R>
Reply by: oparker Posted: Feb. 9, 11:08:15 AM Points: 90
What is the boudaries of the reservoir??? Is it just the state park or is the state wildlife area included. . Technically the swallows is a state wildlife area And not part of theresavoir/state park. Or are these new rules all inclusive? How far up the Arkansas river do these new rules apply.???
I only found these regulations poking around on the states site when I was bored one evening. They are not posted or printed anywhere other than online as far as I have seen. One of the other regulations that is changed is a pretty major one involving ALL state parks. Since the change in alcohol laws and 3.2 beer the new regulation does not mention anything about full blown booze VS beer. It basically just states one cannot be a danger to themselves or others when under the influence which I believe is very vague. I can think of a few people who meet that criteria sober! Hoping this doesnt encourage folks to hit the hard alcohol on the water. (I know it probably didnt stop them before but at least it was in writing stating only 3.2 was allowed) Page 10 [log in for link]
@ SGM - if the "skipper" assigned to a lake doesnt' even know the regs to aforementioned lake and compounds that fact by stating that it is someone else's job to inform them of the regs, then something is seriously wrong with this picture. Additionally, I travel all over the mid and western US to fish and yes, I make 100% sure I am compliant when I do because if not, I could cost me dearly.
@D1P - PLO is fishing better now then it has in 15+ years. Only fish kill I saw down there this year was a couple of shady pics posted on here with no confirmation of a true widespread fish kill either from anglers or managing agencies. That is not to say that some chemical spill had a negative effect on the upper end of the res but all of those claims are so far unfounded.
I think the early dam closure is BULLS*** honestly. DOW brought it up at the fall round table meeting and we anglers that were there voiced our disapproval on the grounds that it's Lose/Lose for us... It's not fair that we get less and less time on the water, and yet our boat registration and license fees are increasing....boat ramp rules and hours are also going to be restricted this year. Lose/lose/lose.
The fish regs make perfect sense but the closure is just plain dumb.
Reply by: Luke the Dog Posted: Feb. 21, 8:41:13 AM Points: 34
Good, Pueblo needs tighter regs, way tighter! That lake could be sooooo good, but there are way too many fishermen with a "me, me, me" mentality who keep everything they get their hands on and leave all their garbage in nice piles on the shoreline when they leave. I hope the enforcement backs it up...
Reply by: Walleye145 Posted: Mar. 2, 5:26:14 PM Points: 45
The regulations sign on the dam as of March first say closure still not in effect until March 15th. 2 seperate phone calls to parks office in Pueblo and 2 different sets of information. One employee said closure went into effect on March 1st. Another employee said nets aren't going out until march 10th and closure goes into effect then. Nothing posted and nothing in print about new closure dates, 2 different opinions from Park employees. How are we as the public supposed to know what the Regulations are when their own employees don't have a clue. I know a lawyer who would get the citation I would get for fishing off the dam after March 1st thrown out in about a 1/2 second
Reply by: motoxxx43 Posted: Mar. 5, 8:15:38 AM Points: 1868
It's in the regs and I know people do it. You'll get the dates and specifics for spearing there. Im pretty sure it is not held in very high regard around here. If you Google search spear fishing Pueblo you will get a ton of info on it. Not only are there photos but there are quite a few posts in forums you will find.
Reply by: skiman Posted: Mar. 16, 9:44:14 AM Points: 2028
Slowride, I know for a fact there are some hog eyes in Pueblo Reservoir. If you don’t believe it, just check out the spawn operation sometime. Maybe you should stick to Unicorn fishing. There isn’t any size or possession restrictions on them that I know of! Lol
Reply by: Slowride Posted: Mar. 17, 6:00:20 AM Points: 19
Oh i know they are in there but they still wont let me fish with spawning nets. Knowing they are in there and catching maybe 3 or 4 eyes over 21” in 30 years of fishing the lake only makes it worse. Ive caught HUGE wipers, bass and crappies, even some real nice rainbows but the walleye fishing in that lake sucks. I know, i know, i can hear it now “ I catch giants all the time there” or “Maybe you just suck at fishing” or whatever. Sure i can go down there and jig up 50 , 17.5 inch eyes a day but it would be nice to get into some 25, 28 inch eyes. Whatever, im not complaining. I do wish the scumbag s*#heads would pick up there trash they leave all over the bank.
Reply by: _Colorado Posted: Mar. 30, 1:44:16 PM Points: 533
There are plenty of big fish in there. Those who know how to catch them consistently (other than at night) are quite tight-lipped and I don't blame them. I could use some schooling in this area too but that's what gets me out there often - trying to figure it out.
I fished PLO 6 times over the last 9 days, 4 from the boat and 2 from shore at night and it was super slow for this time of year. The nets just started yielding good numbers this week however, a boat inspector I've known for about five years told me they netted a walleye that was several ounces over the state record before they took her eggs. He said she was 19+ pounds so folks, it looks like the state record walleye could be swimming in Pueblo later this year or next spring!