I can't respond either, AWB...but if I could I'd stick to my answer that those are indeed the dumbest fish in Colorado. And I'd happily debate it - and/or demonstrate it - to anyone that would like. I'd agree with Fordo that boat handling adds a whole level of complexity, but when I can catch a dozen fish over 10 pounds in a day including the single largest trout I've ever seen, on virtually anything I throw that is big and easy for them to catch (I pounded them on 8" sailfish and pike flies on 15# test leaders, 10" Sebile Magic Swimmers, 1/2oz buzzbaits, and had a few monsters smack Huddlestons but not get hooked, not to mention how easy they are on Rat-L-Traps or anything that resembles a jerkbait as Marty pointed out with his Countdown) they aren't that smart. Add that to the fact that their population density is so artificially high that if you know anything at all about how trout position in a river, your fly/lure is in front of a giant most of the time, and even easier when the river is sculpted for fishing. I've floated it four times all with the the same results, though admittedly only had to deal with the sheriff once.
I also stand by my point that I can catch 5x the numbers of giants on that stretch of river from a boat than I could fishing the same number of hours at Tomky's pond...I know because I've tried both.
Not belittling Marty's day at all - I'm sure he had a blast and I know Marty is a legit sportsman. And I'm sure Fordo's experience at BVR is different than mine since he apparently knows the staff. But at the same time, being monitored from the river bank by both cameras and staff to pursue extremely gullible, stocked and fed trout ain't my thing. Everyone has an opinion and this is just mine on that place. CL
Reply by: anglerwannabe Posted: Jul. 20, 8:09:25 AM Points: 40628
Chad, when these threads pop up and they get a bit testy.. I appreciate a reply like Fordo's that is insightful as far as I'm concerned.
Like this reply to me, I appreciate your insights as well. I feel with the replies like yours and Fordo's, this is how we as anglers get better. Or in this situation get to see 2 differing opinions and the how and why they're different.
Contrary to some other comments I've seen recently.. this is exactly why this forum is so good. These are the types of dialogue that needs to happen.
Reply by: Fordo Posted: Jul. 20, 8:30:33 AM Points: 61
Thanks for the comments Jim and Chad. To me, It's a beautiful thing that the opportunity to float fish and catch multiple word class sized fish on one of the most beautiful stretches of river is there for the public. It's even more beautiful that one does not have to pay money to access that water that has had ungodly amounts of money invested in to it from a private intety. You dont find that anywhere, it's a one a kind experience to float the BVR. Stock ponds with huge trout normally have big rod fees, are very common and highly monitored with trespassing very strictly enforced by the owner. Typically you dont get a warning from stock pond owners,
Reply by: i2fly Posted: Jul. 20, 8:45:56 AM Points: 1430
CL, your right the fish are easy to catch not easy to land. It's the only place I have floated where you hope the 25' fish just come off before you net them because it's work and their not especially big. When 3 guys take turns on the oars and still each of you land 40 apiece. Easy pickins.... ! Tough access though. Huge fish and the only place where I've landed 5 trout over 10lbs in a single day. Artificially kept because no way the river can support that many big fish. I've never posted anything about it because it's artificial. The photo i'm posting is a fly caught, 15.75lbs. cutbow from there just to add some validity...
To anyone thinking about doing this float. Those big drops are scary enough in a raft. With these low flows its boney and dangerous. Some of them are several feet... Do not try a canoe!
Well, one thing is for sure...that stretch is going to see a WHOLE LOT more traffic now. Not from me though.
The Blue is class 3 water max, definitely not very technical, but also definitely not for a standard flatwater canoe, fishing kayaks, cheap-o rafts, or for people who arenít experienced maneuvering in whitewater.
Question for FxR moderators...did you shut down replies to the original thread? Is that something that is done regularly?