Post By: panfishin Posted: 7/17/2018 9:37:07 AMPoints: 7462
I've never had this happen to me before, had friends tell me that its happened to them and seen it happen on Fishful Thinker...and what made it even better was that it was less than 5 minutes into my day fishing the CKFC tourney! I was on my way out towards the weedlines off of cheerio beach where everyone launched and I decided to troll until I got there...good decision, as I didn't get much more than 100-150 feet from the bank when I hooked up.
Solid trout in the net, got it unhooked and threw my lure back into the water so that I could measure the trout. As I was about to get the fish out of the net and onto the board my rod doubled over with maybe 8 feet of line out! Put the net back in the water still with the first fish inside and scoop up #2! Never had that happen before...had plenty of fish on back to back casts but never as I was trying to measure a fish have I had another one hook up on the lure just dangling over the side of the boat (really ironic considering I got home and had the episode with Chad and Ronnie fishing on Boyd for trout where Chad specifically mentions that he's letting a gulp minnow dangle over the edge for that purpose show up on my DVR.) First fish came in at 20.75" and #2 was 20.25 and really skinny.
So 5 minutes into my day i'm already sitting at 41 inches and off to a great start towards my 5 fish limit.
Reply by: panfishin Posted: 7/17/2018 11:50:29 AM Points: 7462
The rest of the day went pretty well too. I usually will troll between spots until I can find a good group of fish casting a variety of hair jigs, spoons, spinners and jerkbaits but I wasn't getting bit nearly as often casting, or getting the usual amount of follows, so I wound up putting in a solid day of pedaling around. Trolling and casting my way up towards the north end I was able to fill out my 5 fish limit just before 9am when I boated 25.25" pike on a Chad LaChance special (chrome jerkbait in high bright sun). That pike put me over my goal for the day of 100" with 101.75", but I still had a little 15.5" runt that I honestly was a little scared that I wouldn't be able to cull off of my scorecard. That happened to me a few years ago when I couldn't get rid of a 14" trout...but then I had a 30" pike to help me offset it.
With my limit filled it kinda gave me a lot of freedom in what I could go chase to upgrade and cull the smaller fish. So I continued to do what was working so far, casting and trolling in 4-8' and was able to knock out that runt with a 20" bow and even upgrade him in the next 90 minutes. Then I ran into my buddy Alex up in the bay by the islands on a giant weed bed and he mentioned that he was missing a trout to fill his limit and his 4 were pretty big...that kinda worried me because my mental math while fishing is a little suspect...I knew I was over 100 but I didn't actually add it up so I knew that when he boated another trout it was probably going to be a cookie cutter 20"er and we would be really close. So I decided to go for broke since I still had a lot of time left and threw big swimbaits, jerkbaits and spinnerbaits to find a giant pike since we could have a max of 2 in our limit and all of the trout that I was catching were within 3/4" in size...hard to make a big move when they are all that tight.
Got bumped once and had a decent one follow my swimbait to the boat but didn't bite in the next hour and a half or so, then I felt like my net was being neglected so I decided to troll my way back to the launch area with a swimbait for the pike and my favorite taz for trout. The swimbait didn't get touched but I found a solid pattern with the taz that was lights out! pretty much everyone who was trolling was trolling parallel to shore, staying in one depth zone, but while I was doing some larger S curves I had to go a bit farter out to go around someone and then come back towards shore to get back shallow...that's when I got bit. There wasn't a big weed bed where I was or a steep dropoff that you would think would hold fish and forage but I basically went back and forth moving straight out from the bank and heading straight in towards it and got bit on almost every pass.
Most were bows but I did hook one smaller pike who might have touched 20" but he shook off about 8' from the net. I stayed there for about an hour and slowly increased my totals adding 3 21" bows before heading in early to tally up my fish. I wound up with 109" total for my best 5.
What amazed me is that the top 5 all had over 105"!! In all of the Colorado Kayak Fishing Club tournaments that I have fished I don't remember a single limit over 100...there have been a few that came close but i'm not sure if the century mark had been cracked before. A huge thanks to the guys on the board for putting these tournaments on and all of the companies that have partnered with the CKFC!! Can't wait until the Elevenmile Tourney in a month!
Congratulations man!! You and Spinney have a good thing going. I know what you mean about having that runt that you canít cull. I fininished 2 1/2Ē behind you in 4th place. Had my limit by 7:30 and spent the rest of the day trying to upgrade a15Ēer without any luck. Thatís fishin
Thanks guys! Iím not sure what it is about Spinney but the last two years it has been all or nothing for me, great days with lots of quality fish or nothing but follows, broken knots and long distance releases. Iím pretty sure Iíve got a bruise under my arm from where I was holding the rod butt when I was fighting those bruisers and trying to hold on during their drag screaming runs. Kinda like getting bass thumb, Iíll take it any day!
Funky - I know how you feel, thatís exactly what happened to me at the Chatty event last year...got 2 dink trout right off the bat, 2 decent lmb right after that and a 20Ē walleye a bit later but couldnít land another walleye to knock out that second trout to save my life that day.
Bron - now we just need to get you or Captain to the top of the podium!
Reply by: Dingo Man Posted: 7/21/2018 10:03:25 AM Points: 11
Nice that you enjoyed the lake. I believe I am speaking for most regulars fishing up there when I say that I would hope that you would consider using single barbless hooks on your lures rather than those horrible treble hooks. Just trying to preserve the resource . . . . Thanks, and have fun.
i get where you are coming from Dingo...most of my hooks that I used up there were barbless. just out of curiosity, what hook would you recommend? Style? size? i'm not against moving to the single hook setup but I also don't want to miss bites
I was talking to a fisheries biologist about treble hooks, and he mentioned that he had not seen any data that proved that treble hooks caused a higher rate of mortality than single hooks. Same goes for barbed vs barbless.
Now that doesn't mean that either 1. the info is out there but he hadn't seen it, or 2. that there is a good model for determining the effects of hook style related mortality, or 3. that that type of study has even been conducted. So they may have a higher rate of mortality, I am just relaying what I was told. He stated that some waters around the country that have single, barbless hook regulations may not be based on factual data, but rather assumption or pressure from catch and release focused angler groups. That said, I haven't found much of a difference between barbed vs non barbed hooks in terms of catch rate.
Reply by: Dingo Man Posted: 7/27/2018 9:04:04 AM Points: 11
Thanks, guys, for the input on hooks. I only know that when I was a young man I fished spinners from time to time with a barbed, treble hook and unhooking a fish was a very ugly process.
It seems obvious that a barbed treble hook will result in the fish being out of the water and handled for a longer period of time. All of us have also caught fish with ugly hook wounds in the mouth, and I can only conclude that a treble hook would make this worse.
I only use small, barbless hooks, and the majority of the time the fly falls away from the fish once it is in the net, requiring no handling by me and a quick return to the water. Don't know that statistics are necessary if one can arrive at certain conclusions from experience.
Sorry I don't know what kind of hook to use on a lure, but I assume places like Bass Pro or Cabelas would stock replacement hooks appropriate for using on lures of any type.
BTW, although I prefer to fly fish, I am not critical of other methods of fishing as long as these other methods do not compromise the resource. It appears you guys share this ethic. Thanks --
Reply by: idlerick Posted: 7/27/2018 9:55:34 AM Points: 1
Gamakatsu (?) makes a hook called a Siwash, a single hook with an open eye you can substitute for the treble by cutting the treble off and pinching the Siwash on. But they're better suited to spinners and spoons than multi-hook lures. Back in my spinning days I just pinched the barbs down on a treble. Made them MUCH easier to remove (from fish and me -- a trip to the ER at 2 AM finally convinced me) and didn't cost any hookups.
Gotta agree with Freestone . I've read stuff in both In-Fisherman and TU.Mag. Haven't seen any difinitive Proof of the Treb vs Single or Barb vs Barbeless debate. Even read an article saying that the deeeper penatration of a barbless hook can cause more mortality. Think it personal choice more that anything. Single hooks are ok on spoons spinners ect. But they affect the action of crank and jerk baits. So I use both. Carefull on the Siwash style hooks. The eye is soft so you can bend it closed. If you hang it on something and pull hard.It can also bend back open a little. Then a fish can just shake it free from the lure and take it with him. Ask me how I know . For my hardware. I have taken to using a # 2 + up Owner Mosquito hook With a # 0 VMC split ring through the eye. Then that ring to the lure ring. Not perfect , but far fewer hook comming off issues.