Your dog barking all day at Joe Wright, Sunday 7/15
Post By: Tbubb Posted: 7/16/2018 12:24:44 AMPoints: 17722
I just thought you should know, no matter where a person was on the lake, your dog barking non-stop was the predominant sound. It was also pretty obviously a stress bark. Apparently, your pooch does NOT actually like fishing with you. Did you tie it up and walk out of it's reach or something? Anyway, please consider how well sound travels on a lake.
It musta been around 1PM when I decided to kick my belly boat all the way to that end of the lake to find you and have a chat (as I prefer to speak face to face about this sort of thing), but since that took 1/2 hour, I guess I just missed you there, and was still a few hundred yards off as you left. I tried to holler to you, but I guess you couldn't hear me with all of that noise?
What I wanted to ask is that you please be more considerate of those of us who do not come to the mountain lakes for a 4 hour soundtrack of a barking dog.Perhaps you can find a way to keep it a bit more quiet or leave it home. A few barks? No problem, but non-stop is a bit much.
Reply by: SGM Posted: 7/16/2018 7:07:20 AM Points: 6516
I have dealt with that in the past and it is very annoying. I take my dog fishing alot and rarely if ever do you hear her bark. On a side note to the barking, it would be nice if people would clean up the other end of the dog too.
Reply by: MOJO Posted: 7/16/2018 8:41:20 AM Points: 213
And that's only the barking.
With so many disregarding leash laws in areas where there is wildlife, as I encountered in the Indian Peaks area, last Friday, I always give the warning, "if they chase an elk or deer, I hope somebody doesn't shoot them."
Regarding out of control dogs, you wouldn't believe what I saw today on the way home from work on the west bound ramp to Highway 6 coming from I-25 I see this woman running down median area by the guard rails and I'm like WTF is going on? And then I see this crazy little white terrier dog running at her and then when she gets close, it takes off in the opposite direction, leaps over the 3ft median barrier and then ran across the highway all the way into the east bound lanes and then somehow made it all the way back to the west bound lanes in rush hour traffic. And then all the west bound Hwy 6 traffic comes to a crawl as they chase the dog all the way down to the Sheridan off ramp where I think/hope they finally captured the darn thing. How does a dog get out of your car while traveling down the highway?
Reply by: fishslap Posted: 7/17/2018 7:21:48 AM Points: 17
I was in the same general area of the country Saturday. Drove 2.5hrs. Hiked over 6 miles in. No one at the lake. Late morning, two guys and a girl show up with their dog and let it swim within casting distance of me. No one else on the lake and plenty of shoreline. This inconsiderate selfishness is out of control and the dogs everywhere culture is getting ridiculous.
Reply by: esoxrocks Posted: 7/18/2018 9:50:04 AM Points: 2480
Dogs barking, kids screaming, "yelling" substituting for talking, portable generators running 24/7, cramming YOUR loud music down MY throat, crazy-loud exhaust systems, shooting firearms at midnight, and on and on...a veritable cornucopia of loud and intrusive lifestyles permeating the outdoors.
The problem with folks that say "its my right to...xxx" (eg, have a dog at the lake) is that while they are correct, it is their "right to xxx"... that is only true until xxx infringes of others rights. Then it is the responsibility of person causing the problem (i.e., the dog owner) to address the problem.
Reply by: HeavyC Posted: 7/19/2018 8:53:49 AM Points: 4845
That's it! ...I'm quiting!
I just hope I get to be around you bunch whiners sometime!! ...my pups know no other way than to be right between your legs while fishing, crying the entire time you're not catching!
By the way, Indian Peaks is well known and even promoted for being pet friendly and off leash! ...you want no other animals to bug you, maybe YOU should travel further than the closest wilderness area to find your solitude.
Lol! You guys are hilarious! ...seems like even on the "plus" side, we've become a whole lot like the "other" forum USE TO be. :(
Though, I suppose that I may have been a little too absent from the site as of late to even speak my mind, but I have never been one to bite my tongue.
Remember, this pic is what FxR is all about. ...when is the next get together?
...We should do a 10th anniversary! This pic is from the second ever, "get together!"
Reply by: fishslap Posted: 7/19/2018 10:53:08 AM Points: 17
I donít believe JW is in Indian Peaks Wilderness Area and the nearby lake I was at is definitely in a different wilderness area, and a full 6 mile hike one way. Both wilderness areas have leash laws, e.g. on a leash at all times unless accompanied by pack stock. Canít we just follow the rules and be consideredate of others?
Reply by: RoyR Posted: 7/19/2018 11:08:11 AM Points: 3104
larryroohr. When I was a teenager riding my bike next to the road, a german shepherd lunged toward me from the back of a passing pickup truck. Scared the crap out of me. He lost focus when he smacked his head on the pavement and ran back after the truck.
There it is again...accurately calling out obviously obnoxious, intrusive behavior redefined as whining. Where does that logic come from?
Personally I love dogs (couple Labs over the years) but would have never put up with long term barking or my pet taking away the rights of others. How the dog acts says a lot about the owner IMO. It's a matter of responsibility..some accept it...others don't
Exuberance is one thing, but an untrained, undisciplined dog running wild or barking incessantly is a nuisance pure and simple. If that isn't evident, then...
I have always trained my dogs the same way. They dont bark, bite, beg, so forth. My husky mix is an exception just cause she was a rescue dog but she does not bark or make a noise. She might whimper if you get angry at her or a fish gets away but that lasts about 5 seconds.
Hey Marty, this is Doyle. Long time no see! I had a similar dog barking problem at a lake one time. This time the dog was in a car and barking non stop. It was easy to find the owner once I found the door unlocked and let the dog out. The dog ran straight to his owner half way around the lake.
"By the way, Indian Peaks is well known and even promoted for being pet friendly and off leash! ...you want no other animals to bug you, maybe YOU should travel further than the closest wilderness area to find your solitude."
The law is the law. Either we are a nation of laws or not. Most of the noise I hear lately, seems to disregard this simple fact.
Reply by: Esox Hunter Posted: 7/20/2018 12:32:12 AM Points: 0
I donít post on any site very often but this one set me off! Iím so sick of the whining on this site all the time. The true purpose of this site is lost! How sad, what a good thing it started out to be!
I agree this sort of thing sucks, so does screaming kids and the loud obnoxious drunk person that Is fishing on the bank down from you or the jacka$$ In the boat the cruises too close. It sucks, YES! Deal with it or move! I get just as mad about it as anyone and have been in a few altercations over it but they have as much right to be there as anyone else.
No differece than killing big fish to mount or eat or killing off one species of fish over another. I donít agree with either! Pike are my favorite fish, I hate the mis-management we face on some of our waters where pike can actually improve the overall quality of fish in the lake and balance the fishery so everyone can enjoy catching different species of quality fish. Not worth crying over! I donít agree with it but??? I love to catch big fish and donít believe in killing ANY big fish (especially lake trout, they are way to old and slow growing to kill) but if itís a legal fish who am I or anyone else to judge or take away the joy someone has for their catch? I donít believe in it but if itís legit and legal not worth crying about, deal with it and move on! If it illegal, turn them in!
MOJO I agree with you 100%. People have different views about what is acceptable with their pets just like their kids. Indian Peaks is well advertised as ďpet friendlyĒ deal with it or go somewhere else!
I love taking my young dog fishing but there are times he doesnít need to go because I donít want him disturbing other people at a place thatís not entirely pet friendly. I thought that was being a responsible pet owner. Although Iíll bet one of the whiners on this site would disagree.
TADA32. What kind of post is that??? ďShe might wimperĒ why because she is afraid of you??? WTH are you another one of those ďinternet bada$$e$ď that just canít help yourself? Who cares how you train your dogs, here we go again! Sounds to me like your not man enough to confront another man but have to make yourself seem bigger and badder by being a harda$$ to your dogs! Or is it just a show online? I hope someday your man enough to confront me about something Iím doing on the water!!! I look forward to it!
Come on people! We are all fisherman that work to fish and love the outdoors! We are all trying to enjoy the same waters with different values and beliefs. What happened to the good days of just fishing and moving on to another day of fishing! It seems like the internet is filled with people that fish for a while and just canít wait to run home to their computer, phone or tablet and post their day of fishing online. Technology is good in some ways but has ruined our sport in others!
Reply by: TADA32 Posted: 7/20/2018 1:46:21 AM Points: 7390
Esox you can assume all you want. The way I train my dog is my way. You think I'm being a hard ass to my dog you should probably see for yourself. I don't abuse my dogs or yell at them. Anyone on here who has fished with me knows how I am and how I do things my way. Like I said shes a rescue dog. Several months ago you could not tell her no without her crying. Hell she was afraid of people when I got her. So assume all you want bud. And if you really wanna fight me well go for it. Shows how much of a human being you really are.
Reply by: Tbubb Posted: 7/20/2018 6:35:07 AM Points: 17722
Esox Hunter said: "I donít post on any site very often but this one set me off! Iím so sick of the whining on this site all the time. "
(facepalm) Dude, that is Ironic. Was humor intended? If so, well played!
Also- I've met and fished with TADA through a mutual friend. I don't know him well, but what I can not picture for the life of me is him being cruel to an animal. Hope that helps clear things up.
Marty, Mojo, And Esox Hunter.
Yes, we are a nation of laws. And one of them, in Larimer county reads: "Ordinance 11122002O001 Sec. 6-77 Disturbance of the peace and quiet prohibited:" "...Each owner or keeper of a pet animal in the county shall not permit such pet animal to disturb the peace and quiet of any person by barking, whining, howling, yowling or making any other noise in an excessive, on-going or untimely fashion."
Hope that clears things up. Pretty much every district has a similar law in case anyone was about to give me a 'what-about-ism." The reason why pretty much every place with codes has codes against barking dogs is that it is a popular problem and leads to conflicts. That is how most laws end up getting made. The Law is a remedy for what might otherwise become an escalating conflict.
In all seriousness, as for "whining" that is quite precisely why I attempted to contact the owner and said this is best handled in person. The goal here (long shot?) was that the owner or someone who knows them reads this and passes it on to say "hey man... were you at JW last Sunday? I read that other fishermen could hear your dog barking all the way down at the inlet?" And if the owner cares, maybe they can figure out a better strategy and not cause or have future problems about it.
Anyway, Cheers, and tight lines. Hopefully the thread will have some form of impact in terms of awareness of the issue and perhaps even reach the owner. If he's a cool dude, maybe I'll end up fishing with him some day.
Reply by: riper69 Posted: 7/20/2018 9:50:02 AM Points: 2275
Im training my new lab bloodhound. our last trip to Arapahoe bay as soon as we got out of the car to set up. there was 2 dogs in a tent with nobody around non stop barking. We tried but ended up getting money back and going else were. Those people think there the only ones in the world. Its to bad theres no respect any more. Met some really cool people though. Theres always the bad seed.
^^^ Maybe you are right. Can you think of a site where you can see the Title of the thread in advance, then choose NOT to click on it? (Hmmmm) Maybe we should all use THAT site! (wink)
In all seriousness, it was not my intention to have some sort of fight over here, but if you have a pal that was at J.W. last Sunday before 1PM, let them know. And if they left because the dog was a hassle, thank them for those of us that were relieved, and offer then condolences on having to quit early.
Dogs are cool...indoors, outdoors, wherever... but they can also be obnoxious. The point is that when one personís actions infringe on anotherís enjoyment or peace, itís up to the person causing the problem to fix it...not the other person to ďdeal with itĒ. Thatís basic common courtesy...something called ďthe golden ruleĒ (ever hear of that one?). I will agree however that zero-tolerance isnít fair either, thatís why I have come up with the following scale:
The Esox Barkío Meter:
Barks for 1 minute when first let out of the truck - 0 (no problem) Barks for 5 munutes while the owner is unpacking truck - 2 (still no problem) but might want to pay some attention to the dog. Barks for 20 minutes tied up while owner collects firewood - 6 (not ok, but not off the charts) ...deal with your dog! Barks for hours while owner completely ignores their dog - 10 (absolutely no excuse) this is cruel, basically animal abuse.
Reply by: Jdhusk65 Posted: 7/21/2018 4:01:38 AM Points: 669
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