Post By: Fishneveryweek Posted: 7/4/2018 12:09:04 PMPoints: 42
Well, they did it again. There was another Elkhead pike and smallmouth fishkill party/ contest lasting from about June 23 to July 1. Prizes were given away by CPW included ones for the most pike killed and the most smallmouth killed. Hope they did poorly. Funny I did not see any postings here before, during, or after the event. Anybody hear how they did? I refrained from posting on it until it was over so as to not encourage anyone to attend.
Reply by: Abel1 Posted: 7/5/2018 7:49:08 AM Points: 206
If people were smart they would keep attendance low so they could drag out these so called "fishing tournaments" for years to come instead of fishing them out after a year or two. I'm surprised that they could get anyone to sponsor something like this. This would make a good South Park episode.
Reply by: Fishful Thinker Posted: 7/5/2018 8:10:36 AM Points: 11918
Last I heard 1300 smallies were caught, almost all of them under 12" and most around 8". Biggest smallie was 16". In other words, that lake is likely going to kick out more massive smallmouth as a result of the yearly herd thinning. Same scenario with the pike.
Besides that, they stocked tens of thousands largemouth in two size classes to fill the angling void and in my experience, they do very well in that pond. I think west slopers will have a fantastic largemouth/crappie fishery in the next few years based on the plan and results this far.
Personally, I think CPW is doing a fine job of staving off the Fed's desire to rotenone the whole dang lake as part of the Recovery Act. I don't in any way, shape, or form agree with the overriding US Fish and Wildlife Service's federal initiative to "restore" the river system by removing a fraction of the non-native fish, but I also see the position the CPW is put in as the managing agency on the ground under Federal duress, and basically agree with how it's progressing. CL
Reply by: gotafish Posted: 7/5/2018 8:54:46 AM Points: 142
I agree with Chad. I made a phone call to a friend that works at a hatchery and he looked up the stocking report for me. 370,000 Large mouth bass have been stocked this year alone. Looks like a bright future to me.
Reply by: skiman Posted: 7/5/2018 9:02:24 AM Points: 2609
What’s happening at Elkhead is kinda like an iceberg. You see the top part, but the majority of the solution lies beneath the surface. Managing a fishery is a complex problem, and it sounds like the best is yet to come for this impoundment.
Reply by: skiman Posted: 7/5/2018 9:24:12 AM Points: 2609
It never ceases to amaze me how many “experts” there are when it comes to issues like this, especially when those opinions are made emotionally, without regard to the logic or overall facts behind a decision. I am not one to “drink the koolaid”, but I am one who does have some faith in CPW, and their fish management protocol.ło
Reply by: Walleye Guy Posted: 7/5/2018 1:46:20 PM Points: 171
It's just not here....I have lived in a few states and guess what? The DNR's in those states are also know nothing's. Must be a nationwide conspiracy to ruin our outdoor experience. Probably taught at some pinko college.
It's time we took back our waters and woods, purge the agencies staffs and restock them with guys we meet on the internet and bar stools.
Or leave thngs in the hands of those "educated" guys we meet on the internet and bar stools. You know the ones who gave the approvals and did their research in the past that led to the decisons that created these messes to begin with.
You have zero knowledge of these guys. For one with your handle, WG, one would think you would stand up and defend the 2 guys that helped the previous group of DOW biologists like Bill Emblad and others volunteer hundreds, if not thousands of hours in the name of fisheries management on Rifle Gap, Juniata, Crawford, Highline and others for the warm water guys like you to enjoy. Lynn spent years running the Pathways to Fishing and putting on fishing derbies FOR the DOW. Pretty sure he has a degree in Fisheries biology, not just majoring in it and professing to be an expert in all phases. The other guy guided in the Rifle area and is the best fisherman ever, except maybe Lynn, on the Gap. Both can fish circles around anybody there until FWS destroyed the lake’s walleye population after both of those guys, myself and others wrote numerous letters to get a super good screen put below RG before they gutted it. So these guys you so easily throw under the bar stools and the bus just might know a little more about fisheries than most everyone else.
Thank you Diggin. There are a lot of us that are looked at as trolls or flunkies because we have nothing to offer or don't submit pictures. I received a little of that this morning on the other side. Some of us don't get the opportunities to fish as much as these guys that float around all the time. Because of that we appreciate the times we do have and when you have found a place that may be considered a paradise you shelve other places to make room for the trip and go to all the expenses involved to make it happen. Only to find an overfished mud hole when you get there or a place full of the crap you can catch within minutes of any home in any suburb. I will make the trip not to get away from all the people but to get away from the same ole generic run of the mill species. Why is it every time we find one its ruined? Now there's one less. I pay the same for my license and maybe get out a half a dozen times a year as the same guy that floats on a daily basis. My voice/opinion doesn't count I guess. I have yet to buy a fishing license this year and when I do I'll probably get a 3 day pass for the time or 2 I'll go out. I may pass altogether. You may see a bright future but for me I don't see one at all. As pointed out to me today the only thing I have to offer is another gripe so here it is.
If you want to fish for walleye, I can understand that. I also understand not wanting to travel to catch the fish you want to target. I would be upset as well if that was my local lake and walleye was what I primarily fished for... certainly not happy about the lonetree situation. You used to be able to fish for Kokanee in Carter lake (which is near me) until walleye were introduced and ruined that lake as a Kokanee fishery... now I need to drive to catch them. It sucks but I could always move closer to a lake that has them. The cpw is trying to prevent a foreign species from taking over an existing habitat. If nothing is done to protect native fish, perch, bourbet, asian carp, walleye, pike, etc will be the only thing you can fish for anywhere ... that and slimmers because they are easy to stock. I understand the need to protect native fisheries and preserve a diversity of fish for people to target— you can understand a lot about fish and biology and not share that centement. People get on here and talk about how CPW has their heads up their asses but they are only doing what they believe is responsible. I believe they are also stocking sterile walleye correct? People rant and rave and bad talk the cpw and the moment anyone suggests the cpw is not totally incompetent, it is suggested they are some sponsored ideolog that drank the koolaid. As far as people supposedly picking on the cpw bashers, you know what they say about people in glass houses... give me a break
Fishfull Thinker and I have had some differring opinions. And have shared thoes opinions on this site. This Time I gonna stand by him and the point he is trying to get across. Which would you rather have? 1 A lake with something to fish for. That will still offer some fishing entertainment. 2 A lake the has been completely sterilized and will take years to recover . Even with an agressive stocking program.
For the hand that they have been delt.CPW is playing it as good as can be.
This isn't an example of ..BAD.. fisheries management. It's a ..GOOD.. example of what havoc can be wrought due to political Shananaginns!!!
Bash CPW till your heart's content,This issue has to deal with politics.And I don't care what degree they have,CPW biologists aren't going to manage POLITICIANS!