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Question for the bow fishermen.

Post By: phidoux      Posted: 5/12/2018 10:04:02 AM     Points: 4882    
I recently bought a bow fishing out fit brand new for $150, recurve bow 35# draw weight, and it doesn't go all the way through the carp I'm shooting even when I shoot them close to the bank. the barbs hold ok but but don't want to loose one. Thinking about up grading to a heaver bow to cure the problem just don't know how big or light to go or if a different arrow would do the trick. I have shoulder problems and can't pull a real heavy bow and want to stay with the take down recurve because I can break it down and store it in a small place. this is the out fit I bought just a different arrow rest. [log in for link] This is the arrow I'm using [log in for link]
Sorry if this offends anybody.
Thanks in advance for any information.
 Reply by: Pathway      Posted: May. 12, 10:39:53 AM     Points: 528    
Please do not use bow and fishing in the same sentence.
 Reply by: Nevrskunkt      Posted: May. 12, 4:01:06 PM     Points: 572    
I wish I had some info for you Phidoux. I am interested myself to see what people suggest.
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: May. 12, 6:31:00 PM     Points: 59523    
35# draw is why itís not going through the fish. Those are some good arrows.

The Mission Craze is a compack compound thatís the bomb for bow fishing.

What ever you guys do NEVER tie the string directly to the arrow, use a safety slide..

Good luck and shoot low.
 Reply by: fishinfoco      Posted: May. 12, 7:18:22 PM     Points: 145    
It is certainly interesting to see a bowfishing post here, not so common. While it may seem unsporting to some and draw the ire of many, it strikes me as an interesting challenge to both skills and the general concept of what "fishing" can be. I will definitely be getting an attachment for my compound this season!

So if 35# draw isn't cutting the mustard, what would be a more sufficient draw weight? I'm currently set at 52# for general target and small game shooting

 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: May. 12, 7:23:40 PM     Points: 15    
Impale and release much?
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: May. 12, 8:12:30 PM     Points: 59523    
I shoot 45 to 50# with 80% let off. It make for a long day anything more than 50# for me. Lot of people crank it up but we shoot 200 to 300 + time a day on some lakes.
 Reply by: phidoux      Posted: May. 13, 7:05:38 AM     Points: 4882    
pathway
bowfishing bowfishing bowfishing While you may not like it it is around and will continue to be. There are things agree with but I just keep on scrolling.
Sir Greg 88
All the carp Iv'e shot have ended up on the bank with arrow intact and end up as fertilizer in our garden. That is the reason for this post I don't want to loose any that are shot by me.
cookster
Thanks for the information man that is what I was looking for. Going to go see how a 45 and 50# feels to draw and make a decision on which to use from there. I do use the line slide and keep a couple extra with me.
Nevrskunkt
Good luck in the addiction LOL
fishinfoco
Sounds like you should be good to go on your poundage. There are lots of options for line holding and retrieval and arrows just remember what cookster said about the line slide and get one with it. I remember in my younger years somebody tied the line to the arrow and it hung up on the bow reel and came back and stuck the shooter.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: May. 13, 7:40:00 AM     Points: 1350    
Yeah 40-50 is perfect, finger release whatever bow you decide on.
 Reply by: Walleye Guy      Posted: May. 13, 8:17:45 AM     Points: 103    
Was the shooter buried in the garden? 😇
 Reply by: Bwallace10327      Posted: May. 13, 5:37:49 PM     Points: 204    
I am surpized that #35 isn't enough for bow fishing but many people have shot clean throught deer with a #40 reurve.
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: May. 13, 5:47:08 PM     Points: 15    
I must agree with Pathway. Call it fish hunting. When I was a kid I saw a bunch of ding dongs shooting fish in a small pond with shotguns and bow n arrows. They left with several maimed fish finning around in a pool of blood. Turned me sour on the whole idea.
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: May. 14, 11:00:39 AM     Points: 590    
Connecticut Division of Wildlife just introduced regulations for trophy carp (common) waters, protecting the fish in certain areas. They are experiencing a huge boom in carp anglers, catch & release fishing for carp and high $$$ carp tournaments out there. As the fish becomes more popular, the revenue to the state through carp fishing has increased. Connecticut now joins TX as states with designated protected carp waters.

In the end, it's likely the $$$$ that can be made through the popularity of carp fishing, catch & release, trophy sized specimens, tackle, bait and equipment sales, travel and accommodation, tournaments, guide services, that will bring about regulation changes in favor of the common carp, rather than a particular Wildlife departments love of the species.

$$$$ in the coffers of the State often speak louder than anger passion or words.

As it stands today, there is obviously a huge divide between those that are passionate about catch & release fishing for carp and those that hunt them down with bow & arrow for sport. I would not want to ban anyone's sport, be that bow hunting for fish or otherwise there should be a way for everyone to enjoy their chosen passion.

The only way forwards I could see, to appease all sides in that debate, would be for there to be trophy carp waters where the fish are protected and waters for those to hunt with their bow. Slot/Creel limits may also be an option though it would be very hard for a bow hunter to return a fish to the water, to swim free and be caught again later, if it was under/over sized.

I am sure this debate will continue for years to come, I suspect more states to the NE will roll out trophy carp protections and this wave will spread ever so slowly westwards.

Tight-Lines,
John
 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: May. 14, 11:36:44 AM     Points: 24186    
Not to jump on board adding to the debate... But much like other debates on here, it comes to the point of acknowledging that selective harvest can be good for any animal species when natural predators do not exist.

I understand the passion that we develop for the quarry we pursue, and the respect for the creature that comes along with it.

I'll even admit that I don't care for sharing the lake with one of the loud generator and flood light boats... But it's every bit as much their lake to use as it is mine.

Cheers!
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: May. 14, 11:46:42 AM     Points: 590    
Agreed, selective harvest can actually improve a fishery. Across the pond, even the best and most exclusive hallowed carp fisheries, practice a form of selective harvest removing most of the the juvenile carp to allow those larger specimens to grow on into monsters. Many of these lakes also have a good number of large predators, pike, catfish, zander, etc. These predators grow to such a size as they also have regulation and protections in place for them. Takes a big old predator to chomp down a year old carp at maybe 2-5 lb's.

The challenge being, how we can get from today's model to a more selective and managed model in the future. Nobody wants their sport regulated, especially if they feel it will hinder or diminish their enjoyment.

There comes a point though, that without some regulation, you won't have a trophy fishery left. This doesn't just apply to carp, it can be applied to any species, be that trout, pike, elf, sheep, etc.

I am certainly not on the bandwagon that states, "ban bow fishing/hunting".

I am on the side of "lets find a way we can all enjoy our sport and respect each other, our environment, in the process"

A debate perhaps for a new topic or thread.

As for test curve & poundage for bow "fishing", you could ask for suggestions on that topic over on the Colorado BowFishing Association facebook page, [log in for link] I am sure you could get some great advice there. Or you could ask on Bow Fishing Country's website, [log in for link]

Tight-Lines,
John
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: May. 14, 7:22:52 PM     Points: 1350    
Maybe some new legislation?

Gold Medal Carp Water -

From Colfax bridge to the confluence of the Brighton Water Treatment facility artificial fly and lure only and any carp caught shall be released immediately.
 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: May. 14, 7:40:31 PM     Points: 24186    
Admittedly I did skip the O.P.ís question and jump into the debate..

Not knowing your archery experience level, are you sure you are drawing the recurve to itís full draw length? Iím a short dude, so Iíve got that problem with most recurves seeing as I have a 26.5Ē draw length. Could be shorting you on the real punch of that bow?

Just a thought?
 Reply by: Luke the Dog      Posted: May. 14, 10:03:19 PM     Points: 34    
^ could have a good point here, the bow is rated for 35# at 28". If you're drawing less than that you're not going to get optimum performance from the bow.
 Reply by: phidoux      Posted: May. 15, 7:00:32 AM     Points: 4882    
I'm sorry this has turned in the direction this has. It wasn't meant to turn into a debate or to offend anybody I'm not a troll like some others on here I just wanted to get some insite on the poundage of a bow or different arrow so I didn't loose a fish. All the fish I've shot end up a fertilizer for our garden. I'm not the kind of guy that leaves them to rot at the body of water they were shot at.
John
Thanks for the sites on bowfishing I will use them in the future. You were the one I was most worried about offending but I couldn't find the answers I needed so I posted here.
Ajax and luke
I measured my anchor point and I'm a full 28" if not a little more than that.
 Reply by: Dakota Dude      Posted: May. 15, 9:38:26 AM     Points: 1475    
35# might work if the fish is in a foot of water... If you shoot any deeper it won't do the trick. I have no issues with a 60# bow.

The truth is, regardless of the poundage of your bow, you can still lose a fish if it's too deep in the water column for the arrow to penetrate. Always be conscious of that.

I have to admit, I got a chuckle out of the idea of a trophy carp fishery!
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: May. 15, 10:21:45 AM     Points: 59523    
I have to admit, I got a chuckle out of the idea of a trophy carp fishery!
YEP
 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: May. 15, 12:48:08 PM     Points: 24186    
That should be enough draw to hit the correct force of that bow, I'm rather surprised it is leaving you wanting for more power. That draw weight isn't far off of the minimum requirement for big game. Granted there are differences in an arrow not towing a string, or penetrating water...

Maybe take it into a bow shop and have them test the actual draw weight at your specific draw length? Always a chance you were sold a bow that is not the power advertised?

If not... I'd say you need a stronger bow?
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: May. 15, 1:28:01 PM     Points: 590    
phidoux, I am not offended. I endeavor not to judge others.

I have always, and always will, defend any sportsman's right to partake in their sport, whether I am a fan of it or not, so long as it's done ethically, sustainably and within the regulations.

I recall doing the BTFM podcast out of Bass Pro a few years back with Eric and Matt, during which both professed a desire to give bow fishing a try. I didn't even spill a drop of my coffee hearing their words, perhaps I raised an eyebrow ? I had overdosed, courtesy of Fishranger, on coffee that evening, almost too much, I know, shocking!

There are plenty of waters in the state, over-run with smaller carp, id say, take your bow, your quiver of arrows, and have at them. On the flip side, you see a magnificent 20+ lb mirror carp, or big trophy common swimming by, i'd hope you might think twice before you impaled it, knowing first hand just how rare and precious those fish are.

If you enjoy what you're doing, have at it, don't worry what others think.

Tight-Lines,
John
 Reply by: Slay them with AVET      Posted: May. 15, 4:21:15 PM     Points: 3    
The problem is that the Common Carp has been considered a trash fish for so many years here in the states that changing that type of mentality will come with a lot of growing pains. I guess time will tell.

I wouldnít mind having some Carp fishing pay lakes here in Colorado where they could stock trophy size Commons / Mirrors like they do in the south and England as well.

Just a thought
 Reply by: puntfish      Posted: May. 15, 5:02:01 PM     Points: 16    
Piles of stinky dead carp shot with my bow then stuffed into gunny sacks makes for great bear bait. Next they will want to save a sucker fish. No more using suckers for mac fishing. C&R fishing only. Ha
 Reply by: elkinthebag      Posted: May. 16, 9:51:39 PM     Points: 2349    
35 from the bank is good my bows have shot them with a Mathews geneses pro for years. Shot placement good skids and sharp tips help. As in any sport you will lose some. Let haters hate they be like the tree hugging generation that will not listen to anything but what they wanna hear. Enjoy all the big tomatoes and peppers phidtox and if you ever wanna go shoot some let me know.
 Reply by: Slay them with AVET      Posted: May. 17, 5:31:47 AM     Points: 3    
Hey elkinthebag, nobody's hating hear.
 Reply by: elkinthebag      Posted: May. 17, 7:11:29 AM     Points: 2349    
Not saying you are being a hater. But read comments from the beginning. I love carp as a sport ish and spend ample time catching them and releasing them in rod and reel but every one has to face the facts they over populate quick. They need better control measures on there numbers.
 Reply by: Dakota Dude      Posted: May. 17, 9:51:39 AM     Points: 1475    
I can smell that picture from here!
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: May. 17, 9:56:34 AM     Points: 1301    
Maybe they should have a tournament for the Asian Carp... that would be tricky shooting them with a bow as they jumped out of the water! Lol😜
 Reply by: SirGreg88      Posted: May. 17, 9:58:17 AM     Points: 15    
No tree hugger here. I was just wondering if you were using the fish for any purpose such as eating or as fertilizer etc.?. I met a friend in college who was an avid hunter. I got my hunter safety card and went goose hunting with he and his friends a few times. Shot one goose and ate it. I soon learned that they would use any excuse under the sun to go out and just kill animals of any kind. They would shoot prairie dogs, coyotes, fish, turtles, feral cats, skunks, coons or anything else they saw alive. I assumed they weren't breaking any laws but I quit hanging with those guys because it was just not fun for me. They made no effort to finish off any maimed animals and they just left everything there without using it. This just seems cruel and wrong to me. One of the guys kept harassing me because I didn't have a gun and I didn't care to use one of theirs. Dude wouldn't let up and escalated with name calling and confrontation. Lets just say that was the last time I spent with them.
 Reply by: puntfish      Posted: May. 17, 7:45:05 PM     Points: 16    
I have to admit I to cant even leave a carp on the beech for no reason. HELL Im so soft and old I cant even step on ant piles anymore. But when it comes to suckers lakerbait boys.
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: May. 17, 7:52:23 PM     Points: 59523    
Here you go skiman.....
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: May. 17, 8:03:27 PM     Points: 1301    
Dang...I knew someone already thought of it. Thanks for the update!
 Reply by: bron      Posted: May. 17, 9:29:53 PM     Points: 21251    
For the record...as an avid carp fisherman, I so wish you guys could bowfish my favorite ponds. My go to waters are getting over populated and my average catches are going from 10#-12# to around 2#. Ray, I have a problem with just throwing them on the bank or just killing them but if you want I could drop them off to you. My waters dont have the predators to keep the carp in check.
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: May. 18, 10:46:19 AM     Points: 59523    
You can take them to the animal santurary in Hudson for the bears now that their out of hibernation. You might call first because we keep them stocked up regularly.
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: May. 19, 9:51:42 AM     Points: 590    
AVET, American pay lake fishing for carp and catfish, sure is incredibly popular, especially in the south east. Basically licensed gambling with fish as the dice, payouts/jugs/pots for fish by the hour, a specific weight or an angling session. Some anglers can actually make a decent living just fishing the southern pay lake circuit.

The European syndicate or day-ticket model is far more focused on the species and welfare of the fish, environment, care and handling, leading to the growing on of some truly monstrous sized fish.

The closest thing we have here in Colorado to a more European style syndicate or day ticket, would be Tomky's Fish Farm. A place i'd still like to visit/film to see what beast of a carp I could catch, photo & release there.
 Reply by: Slay them with AVET      Posted: May. 19, 10:14:39 PM     Points: 3    
John,
Thanks for that information. Gonna have to look into making a trip myself to Tomky's farm.

Regards

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