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River: Arkansas River Upper - Headwaters to BV

Your Personal Fishing Etiquette & experiences?

Post By: Mattastrophy      Posted: 3/29/2018 12:46:57 PM     Points: 2196    
I want to hear your thoughts on lake/river etiquette.

While I normally fish either by myself or with family and friends, there are occasions I walk up on other anglers. Usually on a lake and I continue on to the next available spot.

I know what my friends want and expect, but if you wanted to say something to other anglers what would it be? What should anglers be aware of that generally they are uneducated about?

(Please be kind and educational)

I find that I am a very kind and forgiving person and in my experience the biggest challenge for me is when kids throw rocks in the water near me especially in small bodies of water ... but I want to know for those who are adults and should know better but don't ...

What are your funny and serious experiences and what would you say if you could?
 Reply by: Goosehunter82      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:03:00 PM     Points: 77238
 Reply by: Mattastrophy      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:12:28 PM     Points: 2196
Does that mean bring and share your popcorn?
 Reply by: team FMFO      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:20:53 PM     Points: 3339
No it means this thread is gonna be a Goat F**k so sit back and enjoy. Lol.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:35:27 PM     Points: 11476
"Less is more"
Can I get a seven -up with my popcorn?
 Reply by: 007      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:40:59 PM     Points: 81
I don't think there are hard and fast rules about required distances between anglers since it changes from location to location. (Ie Alaska battle fishing vs small creek fishing or pier vs reservoir vs pond fishing.) That being said, if someone is throwing lures over your lines, or trolling over your shore setup, or setting up shop right next to you when there are 100s of yards of open shoreline, it is reasonable to ask for some space. "Hey man, anyway you can set up a little further that way?" or "You snagged my line buddy/friend/guy, give me some space next time." For shore fishing, I have even had luck priming them to move to a certain area "saw some hits on the surface about 60yds down the way" For more active fishing like fly/spin fishing where it is clear that both you and another angler are trying to fish around a lake or stretch of water, I have had luck suggesting "hey you want to alternate and leap frog through/around this?" I have had some guys just keep staying ahead of me poaching that prime water, and we're all guilty of doing it sometimes for some distance but it's a better system to try and fish it together, I have found some good intel from chatting with other anglers about recent conditions. In short, I would suggest to all anglers, try and foster an us vs the fish mentality, and push down the angler vs angler. It's the fish's lips we want to punch holes in, not each other!
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:42:48 PM     Points: 73044
it means GH and Lackskill take popcorn with them when they fish. They like to troll using heavy lines. If they see you catch a fish they will troll on top of you, snag your line and steal your fish. All while throwing popcorn at you and mocking you. FMFO and HP like to follow them so they can point and laugh!

On small local water, I expect kids to do that and it's unlikely the parents will stop them. Mentioned this n my blog, recently went fishing to have 2 sets of two people set up their bait fishing spots on either side of me. I cast across both sides hoping they would get the hint they were in my range.. but no. So I just moved on.

If I start getting close to folks, I'll usually either go around them or ask if it's ok for me to cast. Also if I notice anglers avoiding where I'm fishing but can tell they want to fish there.. occasionally I'll speak up and tell them there's room and they can cast their line.

It's a tough subject.
 Reply by: Anteroman      Posted: 3/29/2018 1:51:37 PM     Points: 7009
If someone else is in the spot you want to fish, go home and drink some good rum or bourbon, go back at night, more than likely they'll be gone and you'll have the place to yourself?
 Reply by: shmiley1      Posted: 3/29/2018 2:11:36 PM     Points: 2688
Casting or not... If i can cast into your lines then you are too close.
If our finders are getting interference, you are too close.

There are of course some exceptions but when there is plenty of room there is generally no reason to crowd.
If you do intend to set up that close to others, try making contact FIRST. It can change the perception and reaction of those you may be encroaching on.
 Reply by: Coyute      Posted: 3/29/2018 2:19:46 PM     Points: 148
IMO, real anglers are steeped in etiquette. Pretenders, not so much. Both can smell their own kind.

I am a fellow who says what he thinks. I tend to get my point across - the good, the bad, and the ugly - depending on the situation.

I generally overlook dog and kid shenanigans. However. . .

Long ago I heard a a story about a guy who accosted an older gentleman because the older gentleman's dog jumped in where the other guy was fishing.

The older I get, the more I try not to sweat the small stuff, especially when fishing. It's a tough row to hoe - sometimes. :)

Then again, the "bent-pole" pattern is certain to raise my viking roots ire.
 Reply by: El Jefe      Posted: 3/29/2018 2:49:46 PM     Points: 339
I've been shore fishing at night multiple times when a fisherman in a belly boat starts coming up the shoreline fan-casting from about 20 yards out.

Figuring they didn't see me and my poles, I'd increase the level of illumination on my headlamp.

If that doesn't work, and they keep coming towards me working the shoreline, then I go to my spotlight. I'll shine it off at an angle to them, (kind of like "firing a shot across their bow") figuring that perhaps they were too focused on their fishing to notice me.

I try not to shine 1,000,000 candles into anyones eyes.
That would be rude.
 Reply by: Kokanee Bro      Posted: 3/29/2018 2:58:22 PM     Points: 245
People need to remember they don’t own “spots” and fish exist outside of your honey hole. If you want to be a good fisherman you need to explore other spots anyway. Last year I was chasing salmon on my boat (which has excellent electronics for the type of fishing I was doing) and found what I was looking for. I was about at my limit when another boat drove up and in not-so-many-words accused me of stealing their spot... I.e “this is my spot, I have had it marked on my GPS and always fish this spot... you must have seen me here...” I had been there for hours and they just showed up. Kokanee are open water fish that do not cling to structure and they move around. What the person was accusing me of was ridiculous... they moved in right next to me and tried to bully me off the spot... but surprise surprise the salmon moved and I followed them. Guess their spot must have moved too because they followed me. Anyway I got my limit while they stewed and told me they weren’t marking fish I could see on my electronics under their boat. Pretty funny actually... Long story short—people not catching fish like to blame people who are catching fish rather than put the effort in.
 Reply by: Mattastrophy      Posted: 3/29/2018 3:06:00 PM     Points: 2196
One of the reasons I wanted to hear stories from you all was from recent situations and encounters I have had just this year. I tend to do most fishing in the mountains when people are few and far between, but I have spent some time fishing lately here in the Metro area and it is a whole other breed of people one meets. It just seems like people just don't care ... care about you, care about what you are there for and generally don't care for the area, park, trail or shoreline. I have been very disappointed in the encounters here in town.

One of the worst things I have encountered was something that has really bothered me. Some of you may have seen the post I wrote earlier about my first smallmouth bass I have ever caught. Just shy of master angler and just a treat to be my first experience. That being said, I caught it on the South Platte River near Evans and Sante Fe. One of my friends took me to this hole and he even caught a first time species in the same spot just minutes before me (Saugeye). This spot although it will always have good memories for me but still haunts me because as we walk the bank of the river this stretch of land had to be the most filthy, garbage laden place I have ever seen here in Denver. I am not exaggerating when I say I could not take a step without stepping on trash. Even with choosing where I stepped. I have gone back a couple times because I work right by there and I wanted another chance to catch fish I have never caught before. The last time I was there and this is in the winter and when the snow and cold weather came back, there was a section just up stream where there was a little homeless community. I am not saying the trash was all from them, but it may have been. The water was really low so that trash could have come from up stream and was deposited, but even so it came from somewhere where someone was negligent. It was just disappointing.
 Reply by: Goosehunter82      Posted: 3/29/2018 3:20:17 PM     Points: 77238
Man Jim. You gave up the secret bait. Now the birds are going to follow me around to my favorite spots too.
 Reply by: Abel1      Posted: 3/29/2018 6:01:55 PM     Points: 206
Never had any problems on small water or kids. The one time I did was after I parked at the south end of Spinney and hiked from the gauge station all the way to the waters edge carrying waders, back pack fishing gear etc. I bet it wasn't 5 minutes that passed after I waded in up to my chest before some jack wagon comes flying up in his $60,000.00+ Ranger and drops his power poles within puncturing distance of my boots. I'm a shoreline desperado so I'm continuously on the move and when I come across other bank anglers I give them as much room as possible even if I have to go up a hill. There's no sense to traipsing over their area and stepping on their gear and it makes no sense to fish close to them. The reason I go fishing is to get away from everyone so I provide them with the same respect.
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 3/29/2018 6:21:04 PM     Points: 48654
If you want solititude look on the lake activity graph on FXR and do not go to lakes 1-100. The other 300+ lakes have fish in them too.
 Reply by: El Jefe      Posted: 3/29/2018 7:32:35 PM     Points: 339

I get what you're saying, but how many of those lakes that are warm water, allow folks like me to fish overnight?

Not many.
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 3/29/2018 7:39:06 PM     Points: 48654
Bet me. Feel free to email my link to discuss.
 Reply by: lackskill      Posted: 3/29/2018 8:05:50 PM     Points: 5983
I loke to troll a 12' xh surf rod with 100# braid on the shore side. It's amazing what you can find that way.
 Reply by: team FMFO      Posted: 3/29/2018 9:27:37 PM     Points: 3339
bron is right on !!! I live in Estes and ONLY go west from here to fish .
 Reply by: D-Zilla      Posted: 3/29/2018 11:48:08 PM     Points: 2474
I've been bank fishing and had boats troll across my lines. They tend to lose rods, because I'm running 25# braid on a heavy action rod when I set the hook on your trolling rig, something's gotta give.

That being said. I don't put a lot of grief into kids/dogs any more. I'm there to relax and sometimes that means watching the kids have fun. I'm not into combat fishing any more, maybe when I was younger.

I've had families set up right next to me and the kids of course cast directly across my lines. I'll mention it, while I move my gear to give them a little space. I'm not much for getting shot over who cast where, and in this day and age you never know who has a gun. Besides, I'll usually let the ones with the smaller kids know what they were eating in the hopes to see the kids catch one. (I missed that time with my kids as they were far too much into the xbox, and not the tackle box.)

In the end, I'm not going to fight for a spot where there is plenty of lake to go around. Besides, the minute people start crowding ME is the minute I know I did something right.
 Reply by: FISHRANGLER      Posted: 3/30/2018 7:40:45 AM     Points: 1690
You obviously did not hear the store correctly. He wasn’t much older then I was about 5 years older maybe?
He not only let his dog into my bass hole he threw a clod of dirt Over my head size of a basketball.
Yeah my reaction was probably on the bad side but he deserved what he got. He never bothered us again.
And I was very nice about the dog even though that’s one of my biggest pet peeves loose dogs.
You were not there. You probably would have done the same.
I’ve been fishing quite a bit lately in OK things are different and I noticed my
ability to put up with idiots is improving over time maybe I can be nice like others and let them push me around and I won’t care. Lol
 Reply by: MOJO      Posted: 3/30/2018 8:05:00 AM     Points: 559
I thought I'd chime in about a broader sense of ethics I see when I'm hunting and fishing. When we hunt the areas around Meeker, I frequently see those that only drive their ATVs and hunt from them, but worse yet, they don't mind openly breaking rules like ignoring closed trail signs, as easily as eating peanuts. These are guys that are usually well respected in their circles, as great hunters. There are many great sportsmen with common sense but there is also a culture that exists with any group, and I give it since about the 70s, since our sense of American ethics has eroded. I'd rather see us Make America Honest Again. The fishing/hunting thing would take care of itself.
 Reply by: Luke the Dog      Posted: 3/30/2018 12:24:42 PM     Points: 37
I throw big streamers a long way when I fish...stand near me at your own risk
 Reply by: TADA32      Posted: 3/31/2018 11:50:02 AM     Points: 22200
I am usually good with with being somewhat next to people or boats going through. The main thing I hate though and don't take this as racist cause I am asian, are other Asians. They will sit on top of you and fish right into your line if they know you are catching fish. This has happened to me many times.

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