Post By: 007 Posted: 2/13/2018 3:15:52 PMPoints: 13
I own a 12 ft frontier by nucanoe, and when the wind gets over 20mph, if I am not within 200 yds of shore I can easily get blown out to oblivion when the gusts start to blow So I am considering adding a motor as a get-me-back-to-shore insurance. I am hoping to get some tips or thoughts about a small 2.5 hp outboard like a yamaha 4stroke, vs an electric trolling motor. Right now I am leaning toward the outboard since it is lighter when you consider a big 12v lead acid battery is close to 50 lbs, not including the trolling motor, provides more thrust and could potentially run all day if I felt like going the distance. Any thoughts on electric vs outboard?
Reply by: Ryan Posted: Feb. 13, 3:30:35 PM Points: 1425
I had a Honda 2.5 HP a few years back that I bought to flip. I am surprised that an electric/battery would be less weight, but from looking at the specs, you are probably correct.
The downsides of a gas outboard are pretty straight forward. I think it is more difficult to transport. You have to make sure you lay it down on the correct side or the oil will drain out and cause problems. I think you would have to use up or drain all the fuel. Small engines can be very finicky with ethanol fuels (although my Honda kicker on my boat is very reliable). There is more maintenance - oil and drive lube changes.
All that said, I think the biggest downside of gas is going to be noise. It is one thing to expect to use it just if the wind comes up, or if you want to get to the far side of the lake. But I certainly wouldn't want to use it all the time because I don't want to listen to it.
I have a 16' Lund, and I have a 8 HP Honda kicker on it. I bought the engine to try to keep hours off my main engine, and to use as a back up in case I have engine trouble when I am at Lake Powell early/late season when there are few boats around. I tell you that the only time I have used in in the last 5 years was last year at Powell when I had trouble with my Minnkota.
And with an electric motor on a small kayak, I would think you could go a full day using it full time time for fishing.
So, that is a long way of saying that, unless you want to be able to go far and fast, I would go electric.
I canít imagine anyone would actually paddle once they installed a gas motor. May be more realistic to look into a gas powered boat for windy days, and the kayak for others. Once you attach a motor to a yak, it now has to be registered and go through ANS.
The weight balance could be another interesting thing to consider, not to mention mounting.
Reply by: ...YouKnowWho Posted: Feb. 14, 7:56:43 AM Points: 96
I have a 45lb thrust Minn Kota trolling motor on my 13' kayak and it allows me to cruise around at a max speed of 3.6mph... which is pretty good for a trolling motor! I don't really have a desire to go any faster on a kayak and I've never had the battery die on me, even during 3 day camping / fishing trips.
If you have an electric trolling motor you DO have to register it with the state, but you do NOT have to go through ANS inspections as you can still hand launch your vessel. I would recommend keeping your registration on you as I get checked often by DOW.
I've had my kayak on some fairly big water at Spinney and 11 Mile and I was off the water due to waves well before I was worried about the power of the motor not being able to get through the wind.
I haven't really minded lugging the deep cell battery around and there are a bunch of battery holders that fit perfectly in the storage areas of the kayak. I also like that I can run lights off the battery in case I'm stuck out on the water past dusk.
I was able to easily make mounting brackets for the trolling motor that allows me to steer it using PVC pipe (the kayaker's do-all) and a wood board that allows the thrust to be distributed evenly between the rear rod-holders. The PVC is plenty strong for the 45lb thrust motor and allows for a quick break-down when putting everything away. I don't know how I would go about mounting a gas motor.
Reply by: ...YouKnowWho Posted: Feb. 14, 8:16:16 AM Points: 96
Another thing that I forgot to mention is that there are a number of lakes that do not allow gas motors on them (Barr, Monument, Evergreen, Aurora, Quincy...) that I enjoy fishing and they are perfect for an electric motor. This allows me to use my boat for other lakes and still be able to get on water on some of these bodies of water.
Reply by: Anteroman Posted: Feb. 14, 10:17:52 AM Points: 2318
007, I have been using a 2.5 hp Suzuki 4 stroke on my Gig-Bob for 6 years now. Weight wise the motor, with fuel, weighs just 30# as opposed to an electric set-up at 60+/- lbs. (Battery and Motor) I primarily fish the South Park lakes and fortunately even in very bad conditions have never had a problem getting back to my launch point. The motor uses about 1/2 tank on a typical outing. I fish 100-150 days a year so battery charging would be a major PIA. I carry the motor in a slightly modified "Rubbermaid" basket and have never had a problem. Yes with either power you do need to have a CL registration. The maintenance on the motor takes about 20 minutes and I typically do it every 50 hours of use. [log in for link] This outfit in California sells these at $775 no tax deliverd to your door, they've been great and I've purchased 3 of these from them, don't know of a lower priced outfit. Good luck whichever way you go. Bill
Reply by: 007 Posted: Feb. 14, 10:27:30 AM Points: 13
Thanks for the replies! I totally get the registration and ANS hassle, and the puritan paddles-only concern, all of which dont really compare to getting blown across a lake like Granby when you've reached muscle failure. The torqueedo looks pretty spiffy and so does the newer GPS spot lock "anchor" abilities of the minn kota and motorguide. For folks with electric, have the winds ever overpowered your trolling motor?
Iím asking $600 for the trolling motor that has the iPilot installed. This is a 12 volt motor which is great because it only needs 1 designated battery to power it (whereas most motors require 2 designated batteries)
I also have a really nice Garmin GPSmap 840XS (with DownVu transducer) sonar/fish finder/GPS/map creator (retail $1500) -Pre-loaded with LakeVu HD maps and BlueChart g2 charts (for topographical maps of the bottom structure of most lakes) -You can create your own topographical maps of any lake by inserting a Micro SD card into it (can hold up to 2). -Also records the routes that you have taken while on your boat trip (helpful on large lakes) as well as mark specific points of interest (where youíve caught fish).
Reply by: ...YouKnowWho Posted: Feb. 14, 11:43:00 AM Points: 96
Here's a few pictures I was able to dig up!
Note that I use a hand steering trolling motor and not the iPilot V2 that I mentioned above. The V2 is from my boat and has been replaced by an Ulterra w/ iPilot Link. But I've seen multiple people use the V2 with iPilot on the bow of their kayaks and set it up with the remote (instead of the larger, more cumbersome foot pedal).
I'm in Parker. The boat is in Franktown and I'll have to pull it out of storage to get the trolling motor off, which I'm happy to do. I'll happily show you the 2 different setups I have on my 2 kayaks as well (both setups are a little different).
Seems like once you have added all that stuff to a yak...you might as well just use a boat.
I've been on high windy lakes that have proved to be a challenge in the yak (Jefferson comes to mind) but have rarely had a situation I couldn't paddle out of. I have headed to shore a couple of times in extreme conditions, however in those cases a motor wouldn't have helped... and may have made the situation worse.
Basically I use my boat for boat stuff..and my yak for yak stuff.
I agree that boat stuff is boat stuff and yak stuff is yak stuff.... however, not everyone can afford both a boat and a yak.
I know that before I had a boat I simply had a kayak and that WAS my way to get on the water. My yak had to work just as well in dink lakes like Monument as it did in Granby.
Think about all the extra expenses that a boat requires over a kayak, not everyone has that in their fishing budget. So as helpful of an answer of "boats are boats and yaks are yaks" is, it's not providing the solution to the problem presented in this thread.
haha, just go buy a boat, why didn't I think of that..... But really, the nucanoe is a 12ft long, 40 inch wide, 650lb capacity barge of a kayak, which makes it a bomber fishing platform, but less than easy paddling. Thanks to the folks who chimed in with good suggestions.
Seeing all those batteries reminds me of a Bill Dance blooper where he's lugging the battery down the dock and the film crew slowly is pulling the boat away from him as he's stepping in and he goes right down to the bottom of the lake with the battery pulling him down like a ship anchor!
Might need to get my dad to pull that out of his collection to watch next time i'm over for some laughs!