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River: South Platte - Downtown Denver

Flannelmouth Sucker? Lower platte(past chatfeild)

Post By: Nmnm      Posted: 1/29/2018 3:43:17 PM     Points: 0    
Not sure what this is...? Looked through the fish list...
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: 1/29/2018 3:49:18 PM     Points: 6130    
White sucker (Catostomus commersonii). Very common. Hardy fish, generally indicative of poor fish habitat. Great for cut bait.

Flannelmouths are a west slope thing
 Reply by: Nmnm      Posted: 1/29/2018 4:00:21 PM     Points: 0    
Sweet, thanks. Was not sure, new one for me.
 Reply by: Fishful Thinker      Posted: 1/29/2018 5:19:36 PM     Points: 11193    
Brookie, what makes you say generally "indicative of" poor fish habitat? we've found lots of white suckers in every body of water I've ever sampled with CPW, including the best fisheries I know of. Now I'm curious...CL
 Reply by: riper69      Posted: 1/29/2018 5:26:18 PM     Points: 3347    
Nice lookin piece of bait
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: 1/29/2018 9:49:34 PM     Points: 6130    
Chad, you are right, white sucker can and do exist everywhere. Their mere presence does not mean the habitat is poor. Good numbers of them relative to trout and other sportfish definitely indicate problems, especially with sediment.

Here's why you may see so many in CPW surveys. Many, if not all, of even our best trout fisheries in Colorado have noticeable sediment problems. Sediment occurs due to mining, grazing, logging, and urban development. And it sticks around. Sediment from grazing alone tends to stick around for upwards of 50 years before the river is able to re-equilibrate. Sediment from mining will be there basically forever without some kind of major renovation. So long as sediment remains, sucker populations will thrive. Sediment changes the aquatic insect community to more burrowers and worms, which the suckers can sift from the sediment but the trout can't get to. Then there's whirling disease, which relies on the tubifex worm - a sediment-dwelling worm - to complete its lifecycle. So sediment is s double whammy for trout: depresses food and kills their offspring.

I've spent a few summers in Idaho and other western states. It's striking just how obvious the degradation is now that I've had the privilege to float and fish the Henry's Fork, South Fork, Gallatin, Flathead, Yellowstone, Salmon, etc. Each of these rivers are wholly or mostly wild trout water. No or very little stocking. Whirling disease is a concern but not a key threat. The habitat is just so good - and sediment-free - that whirling disease just doesn't have the same kind of effect. There are still suckers, of course (not white, mostly Utah). But there are way more trout.

That's the way I see it. I know, it's very anecdotal - I don't have any real sediment or insect numbers to show you to prove my point. I have only what I've experienced - and that's a lot of fine sediment in Colorado and not a whole lot of that kind of thing elsewhere.
 Reply by: Fishful Thinker      Posted: 1/30/2018 8:09:37 AM     Points: 11193    
Brookie, that all makes sense. So basically the white sucker lives happily in healthy or less than healthy waters, correct? Like carp...

We spent a whole day sampling the Colorado River with Mr Ewert last fall below Gore. His argument as to why that section is so healthy is because the flows scrub the fine sediment from the river bed, allowing a more porous substrate for insects and especially mottled sculpins, of which there were thousands upon thousands. Its all about the flow....

Anyway, thanks for elaborating. CL
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: 1/30/2018 9:07:25 AM     Points: 6130    
Yes the Colorado is one of the better rivers in CO from a habitat/substrate perspective. Ewert is 100% right on. The more natural the flows are, the better substrate tends to be. A big, natural runoff moves all the fine sediment downriver and leaves behind clean, loose gravel and cobble. Better substrate = more bugs = more sculpins, whitefish & good trout recruitment = more giant trout.
 Reply by: Pathway      Posted: 1/30/2018 10:32:58 AM     Points: 534    
Suckers are great canned. They make better patties than salmon.
 Reply by: FishingJunkie      Posted: 1/30/2018 11:46:45 AM     Points: 1816    
Nmnm - how did you catch him? Drifting a worm on the bottom? They make good bait for larger fish.

When I lived in Michigan, spring time was the time to go out and catch lots of suckers in the rivers. Some people would smoke them whole and love them, though I never tried, I bet if given a chance I would eat it. Ate worst things in Africa and Sout-East Asia... )
 Reply by: gotafish      Posted: 1/30/2018 11:57:13 AM     Points: 142    
Congratulations on catching a TRUE NATIVE Colorado fish. Not some introduced species that everyone is so fond of. LOL
 Reply by: yard dogs      Posted: 1/30/2018 12:15:26 PM     Points: 640    
Laker bait!

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