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Ramp etiquite

Post By: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 7:03:23 PM     Points: 571    
Not in 12 years boating chatty have I ever seen such a disaster at the ramps. Not on memorial or labor day weekends any year.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 7:17:16 PM     Points: 571    
Rangers on the water, and on the shore, completely failing to delicate. Just keeping people from killing each other. 5 Boats in line for a dock, and people just coming through and stealing ramp spots like all these boats are just sitting here for no reason. Having the new and exit inspection directly in front of the ramp had boats totally blocking off the docking area trying to get their seals. Chatfield needs to implement a courtesy dock, so drivers can be dropped off, get trailers, and the order is by vehicle, not by boats docked. There was a party taking up two dock spots with 2 jet skis and a boat for 45 min. ( how long it took me to get off the lake) lets say anything over 20 ft needs to be launched at the marina. We need solutions people!
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 7:42:57 PM     Points: 571    
I would love to hear all suggestions as construction goes forward.
 Reply by: kicker      Posted: 7/16/2017 7:58:57 PM     Points: 112    
No such thing as dock etiquette, never been, never will .....unless we pony up the money and have the rangers mange the docks.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 8:18:59 PM     Points: 571    
They were trying. And failing miserably. The ans line blocked off the ramps completely.
 Reply by: Goosehunter82      Posted: 7/16/2017 8:29:34 PM     Points: 31620    
All I can say is boat drivers license which requires you to be able to load and unload in a timely manner. Won't fix it bit it would help. Barr ramp sucked as usual this weekend.
 Reply by: kicker      Posted: 7/16/2017 8:36:20 PM     Points: 112    
Agree Goose. It's a start.
Same situation with RVers. No longer an RVer but backed quite a few in for people.
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 7/16/2017 9:40:47 PM     Points: 20643    
Not sure how Chat is, never been there but, I think what would help a lot for the "ramps" is to have the boats/watercraft inspected at the park entrance and accommodate several lanes or a larger area for the inspections, for example at Lathrop SP you are inspected as you enter the park, then you can launch at both ponds whenever you want even multiple times, then you are "inspected" again as you exit, I have seen dozens of boats waiting to get inspect on the way "out/off" the ramp at PLO while blocking the ramps especially now that the water level is high and not much ramp space. JMO
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 9:50:01 PM     Points: 571    
Lets just consider that another 20,000 cu ft is being added to chatty. Is it inconceivable to have an efficient marina like pueblo?
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 9:51:38 PM     Points: 571    
Just a courtesy dock? I think not...
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/16/2017 9:59:30 PM     Points: 571    
And more "lanes" would be great if there were funds designated toward reservoirs. Till you live in that county. Those funds go towards free state park passes with your purchase of 600k$ home in Littleton. So again, boats over 20 ft launch at the marina!
 Reply by: EasyWR450rider      Posted: 7/17/2017 9:23:00 AM     Points: 29    
"checking out" for a seal should be optional.

And I agree the "organization" of it all could use a little revisiting and/or update for increased efficiency.
 Reply by: shiverfix      Posted: 7/17/2017 9:44:31 AM     Points: 3384    
I thought it was optional? I have left Chatfield before without going through the check out inspection. If I know my next trip is going to be to Cherry Creek and I am going to have to be decontaminated either way (I/Os have to be deconed if going from Chatfield to CC) then it is a waste of my time to be inspected on the way out.
 Reply by: Goosehunter82      Posted: 7/17/2017 9:46:30 AM     Points: 31620    
I think it is optional. I've left without a post inspection because the lines were too long. Just meant that I had to be inspected before I went back out again.
 Reply by: River_FlyFisher      Posted: 7/17/2017 1:58:26 PM     Points: 1490    
Check out seal at Chatty IS optional...

(Despite what some uninformed ANS inspectors might tell you. SMH.)
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 7/17/2017 2:49:13 PM     Points: 2477    
It's to the point that unless I score a weekday off...I will not boat Chatty between 6/15 and 9/1 (or so)...and I live 15 min. from the reservoir.

It’s been getting continually worse for years, but a couple years ago what tore it for me was when I had to get in the face of someone who pulled his boat into the dock in front of my boat (and then wouldn't move) while I was waiting for my turn on the ramp. There was maybe 10' of space in front of my boat and the bottom of the ramp, and he pulled in front of me and another guy as we waited our turn. BTW I did end up loading in turn...but I just hate to go it ruined the whole day and then some. This wasn’t anywhere near the first incident of “slob-ism” I've experienced at Chatty, just the one that iced it for me.

Now, during the heat of the summer, my boat gets a break from the local reservoirs, while I put my kayaks on the Jeep and head for the hills.

It’s cooler up there anyway…

 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/17/2017 7:23:06 PM     Points: 571    
I usually go to the hills this time of year as well. But the last time I drove to south park on a weekend, it took 6 hours to get back. And I have had 50 fish days at chatty this time of year. All of my favorite lakes are just so heavily visited these days... A shout out to all the natives.
 Reply by: JIGORNAUT      Posted: 7/17/2017 7:28:50 PM     Points: 321    
I feel your pain, my home lake is Cherry Creek, and it gets ridiculous, not so much because of the inspections but because of the boaters themselves, the last time I was out it took me roughly the same amount of time to get on the lake, there were two vehicles blocking one lane, basicly packing up from their outing on the beach nearby, and two lanes blocked, by people getting off the lake, which is fine, except for when they start socializing and wiping their boats down, and unloading all their gear, when, all they have to do is move about 25yds, out of the loop,or up to the parking lot, so they are not blocking access to others wishing to get on or off, it seems to me when I first started going out there, there was like a 10 minute time frame to load or unload then get out of the way, the ranger came down after about a half hour I told her this was ridiculous and she nodded her head as if in agreement , and had the people loading up from their beach outing move, which really wasn't chapping my hide, because I wouldn't have used that lane because it wasn't blocking the dock, which I prefer because I'm usually by my self, and it just makes it easier and faster for me to have access to the dock, I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging but I can get on and off the lake, in a matter of a few minutes, pull the boat out of the way drain it and be on my way, up to the inspector, I guess I can't understand why others don't seem to have the same consideration. I really think it would help if the rangers could keep things moving along a little better.
 Reply by: Steelhead      Posted: 7/17/2017 8:24:01 PM     Points: 5    
Volunteers needed: to be dock rangers to educate the ill informed about proper ramp procedure.
Positions open: No pay, long hours and plenty of verbal abuse from drunk drivers.
Benefits: Plenty of fresh air and Girls in bikinis.
No background check, No application, just show up and get to work.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/17/2017 8:27:44 PM     Points: 571    
Man that's a great point Jigro..I also have a small outboard boat and can launch, load in a few minutes. I forgot how much it irritated me to see people wiping their boats down with shammys with no consideration to any one else. I've never owned a 30k boat so there's probably things I'm overseeing, but surely that can be done at the detail shop. There was one group that would clean up, move forward, clean up, move forward. Probably the best thing I saw getting off. Some people know how there not the only ones on the planet.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/17/2017 8:30:21 PM     Points: 571    
Steelhead, lmfao!
 Reply by: Abel1      Posted: 7/17/2017 9:12:41 PM     Points: 182    
Why not make the ramps one way? Those closest to the dam on and those off to the right off. Keep the flow going. I think they had that operation at Lake Washington in WA state and it seemed to work pretty smooth.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/17/2017 9:31:06 PM     Points: 571    
I like it.
 Reply by: riper69      Posted: 7/18/2017 7:11:40 AM     Points: 4073    
Shout back native
Travel light
 Reply by: A10FLYR      Posted: 7/18/2017 8:35:55 AM     Points: 26    
Unload at the first ramp as you come in and load at the ramp by the dam. Then head straight to inspection and exit.
 Reply by: EasyWR450rider      Posted: 7/18/2017 9:10:49 AM     Points: 29    
When it's busy at the south ramp at Chatfield, there is no where to get out of the boat ramp area because of the people waiting in line for checkout. There's no way around. Same with the north ramp exit.

They've bottle necked the exits to "encourage" exit inspections even when not busy.

Most times when I'm checking in, the inspector asks "where's the tag?" One likes to say "Okaaay, where's MY taaaag??" Like I've done something wrong. tsk tsk shame on you...

Spinney, 11mile, and CC inspectors will yell, run after you, and flag you down if you try to drive past. I've tried at them all.

None of these exits feel very optional and their actions prove it. It has not been an isolated inspector here and there. It's the way they've set up the exits at these particular lakes.

Remember when it was only a check IN inspection?
 Reply by: Bizkits Dad      Posted: 7/18/2017 10:34:22 AM     Points: 147    
I maybe could be convinced to volunteer a couple of weekends as a "dock facilitator" in exchange for a free fishing license, extra rod stamp and parks pass. Win/Win.
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 7/18/2017 3:31:14 PM     Points: 2477    
While not a total solution, some clear, conspicuous signage would be a good start.

At least this way if someone does want to make a comment to a violator…they have a clear list of rules to point to.

Likewise, this provides rangers with a no confusion set of rules to enforce if necessary.
 Reply by: wingman13      Posted: 7/18/2017 4:03:56 PM     Points: 705    
Was told by inspector @ CC that we did not need to get de-con coming from Chatty, as long as everything was totally dry.

The 1st solution imo, is that there should be a park official stationed on the ramps during the busy times. I really think much of the problem is many people just don't get it. A little info & guidance goes a long way. Big question is how do you pay for it??
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/18/2017 8:32:13 PM     Points: 571    
I'm hearing some great ideas guys.
 Reply by: bratfish      Posted: 7/18/2017 8:51:17 PM     Points: 1090    
😆 dayboaters.
 Reply by: ChatfieldSP      Posted: 7/18/2017 8:55:01 PM     Points: 868    
I completely understand the frustrations guys, but we are actively trying to make this all more streamlined. If anyone was at the North Ramps on this past Sunday you can attest that from 12pm on we had somebody (aka me) directing traffic at both ramps at the North Ramp Complex.

As for the exit inspections since Chatfield has New Zealand Mudsnail and Eurasian Watermilfoil we MUST seal at least 90% of the boats leaving the reservoir.

Some good news (bare with me) no ramp in Colorado has been designed for ANS inspections... Once the reallocation project happens the layout of the ramp will be planned specifically with inspections in mind. This means once everything is complete (read about 3 years) Chatfield will have the first ramp complex designed with ANS inspections in mind.
 Reply by: RogBow      Posted: 7/18/2017 10:13:34 PM     Points: 1140    
There are always a few googans that booger it up for the real people, you know, fisherman.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/18/2017 10:47:01 PM     Points: 571    
This is exactly why I started this post. Progress.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/18/2017 11:06:09 PM     Points: 571    
Chatfieldsp, everything is explained in this thread. I was there on Sunday at 4:00pm There was a ranger on the water, and on shore. Its impossible to control a beehive. There have been a lot of good suggestions on this post. I will list them later. Thank you for communicating with the fishing community and clearing some things up. I couldn't imagine the 20,000 cu ft of water being added without accommodations.. A simple sign about dock procedures at the ans entry would be cheap and enforceable...
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/18/2017 11:17:39 PM     Points: 571    
Like cutting in the lunch line in grade school. To the back of the line. That would do it.

 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 7/19/2017 6:53:15 AM     Points: 1583    
Once all the ninny's and twits come out(C.C. Chatty,Boyd,Pueblo,ect) I find my way out to the places you can't jet ski/wake board,ect . . .Try going to SWA's that have" no wake laws". I've been going to SWA's for yrs . . .we were at one Sat (less than 1 hr away from Denver) only 10 boats and a few paddle boards . . .the ramp is set up for 1 boat at a time . .we load and or launch in 5 min or less.Unless boating becomes unpopular . .taint going to get any better.

 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 7/19/2017 7:30:57 AM     Points: 2477    
Clear set of posted rules is a start.

Personally, I would love something that reads...

"If you are not experienced at unloading and loading your boat, or backing a trailer....THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO LEARN !!!"

 Reply by: cmhef      Posted: 7/19/2017 9:20:52 AM     Points: 0    
I was out on Saturday and man was it a mess getting off around 11. What I'm always amazed at is when people get their boat in the water and then pull the engine cowling off and start messing with it or some other mechanical issue. I've never been a big power boat guy....but can't you figure that (#$*% out in your driveway before the boat is wet?!?!

Perhaps the new design should not only have ANS sites but a "Fisherman Ramp" and "Drug Running FL Keys Wake Boarding Ramp". One ramp will be fisherman in and out and one will be a rap blasting 43 point reverse effort.
 Reply by: Kokanee Bro      Posted: 7/19/2017 9:58:07 AM     Points: 236    
2 things... 1st people don't usually plan on engine trouble so know the guy working on his boat was having a worse day than you (who had to wait for him I am guessing). And 2nd you can't just start a water cooled engine out of the water unless you have the clam shells to hook it up to your hose-- even then you can burn up your engine if you mess it up. Having been that guy before, I can tell you he probably felt bad about it. When I see stuff like that I just feel sorry for the guy and thankful it is not my boat that is busted.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/19/2017 5:33:54 PM     Points: 571    
I also feel bad for people with motor trouble. Half the time they just need starting fluid. I didn't see that at all. Just people being inconsiderate of others. I seriously can't believe it when there's 5 boats waiting to dock and someone just guns it through them to steal a spot. Where was the ranger on that one? In not about to get shot over that. It has almost happened before at Jackson. Leave the dock rage to the rangers.
 Reply by: puntfish      Posted: 7/19/2017 7:12:38 PM     Points: 16    
They can add all the water it can handle. This will not handle all the new boaters with parks passes from their HOA's. 12000 more homes the second biggest city in Colorado approved by the moron Hickenpooper. Learn to fight or get your ass kicked at the boat ramp if you choose to boat Chatty on the weekends.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/19/2017 7:20:07 PM     Points: 571    
That is exactly what we're trying to accomplish is a verbal non violent way to solve this issue. Eveyones given their 2 cents. Exo has started a new post on my be behalf as far as solutions go.
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/19/2017 7:22:50 PM     Points: 571    
Fisherman and party barges will never get along. We are the community that could fix this...
 Reply by: fishmohr      Posted: 7/19/2017 11:39:57 PM     Points: 74    
Avoid Chatty on weekends now. The best fishing is the road, but it is like the North Atlantic. There are other places producing....Trinidad, Sterling...think outside the box. Aurora is doing well. If anybody out there remembers the good old days at we Gronde...that lake had$!* ramps. Just my thoughts.

 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 7/20/2017 5:19:53 PM     Points: 571    
Its probably only a matter of years before the geese spread every ans to every body of water and the inspection stations will be obsolete.
 Reply by: adrenaline_junkie_ff      Posted: 7/21/2017 12:14:31 PM     Points: 5112    
I would recommend a boating permit that would require online classes at a minimum that presented rules of the road, boat light regulations and ramp etiquette.
 Reply by: Colorado Kid 32      Posted: 7/25/2017 2:21:33 PM     Points: 1    
I'm glad I'm not alone in my frustration at the docks. I'm usually out on my little bass tracker by myself and I can load/unload quicker than most of the recreational boaters.

People can be stupid and flat out dangerous with the lack of common sense out there. I saw one guy about to drive up the ramp with his boat on when a truck cut him off to back his jet ski in. While backing his trailer into the water he almost hit the guy pulling out for the second time.

Good luck out there everyone and be safe!
 Reply by: El Jefe      Posted: 7/25/2017 5:04:58 PM     Points: 289    
When things go REAL bad at the ramp:

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 Reply by: fishtaker      Posted: 7/28/2017 11:01:22 AM     Points: 0    
We have all seen the inconsiderate people on and off the water at the lake. With the ever increasing out of state population coming here this will continue to be a problem. What would be so hard as to have the rangers at check in remind everyone the basic rules of the ramp? along with some signage in the area of set up? I have launched in Washington, Oregon, California, and Havasu and have never experienced the problems I have seen at Chatty. Lets help educate those who feel entitled.
 Reply by: Sean D      Posted: 8/19/2017 12:39:15 AM     Points: 968    
I hadn't been to Chatfield since I was 7 or 8, and I won't be going there on a weekend ever again after my last trip last weekend. Everyone was trying to get off the water before the storm on Saturday and my wife got into an argument with another woman because she was trying to drop me off at the dock to go get the truck. Tried telling me there was a line just to get to the dock. I could be wrong here, but nowhere that I've ever been has had such a rule. Completely unreal. Of course that same person had 4 people, at least 2 that could drive the boat, and tied off to the courtesy dock, then unloaded all their stuff on the dock, while waiting for the person to get the truck and load the boat. Unbelievable.
 Reply by: bratfish      Posted: 8/19/2017 7:30:34 AM     Points: 1090    
lol. CITY fishing.
 Reply by: team FMFO      Posted: 8/19/2017 8:40:50 AM     Points: 3304    
Bratfish has it right . Head West up and over and fish in peace !
I do feel sorry for you guys that have to live and fish in the urban bullsh*t.
 Reply by: Johnny C.      Posted: 8/20/2017 1:25:46 PM     Points: 11    
Look fellas/ladies, going to Chatty over the weekend is like being prescribed a new medication there are bound to be side effects.

Chatfield Reservoir

(Take once weekly with a grain of salt)

Users may experience flushed skin, high blood pressure, bouts of sadness, impatience, trembling hands, irritability, increased awareness, headache and uncontrolled foul language.

Less common side effects include the sudden urge to engage in assault, mental break down and severe humiliation.

Seek immediate friendly counsel should any of the above listed side effects not be remedied by a shot of whiskey, cold beer, bowl of bud or ice cold lemonade.

*WARNING* Chatfield Reservoir Should ONLY Be Used As A Last Resort*

 Reply by: team FMFO      Posted: 8/20/2017 3:45:31 PM     Points: 3304    
 Reply by: Fisherguyd      Posted: 8/22/2017 7:30:03 AM     Points: 37    
Well I know I'd rather be on the receiving end of a 'Caustic Enema' than put a boat on Chatfield on the weekend!!
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 8/22/2017 10:04:40 AM     Points: 2477    
^^^ Good stuff. I'll see how things look in September after Labor Day week. I don’t expect things to be great...but maybe at least manageable? We'll see...

Really need to develop workable, reasonable rules...then communicate the rules...then enforce the rules.
 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 8/24/2017 11:35:03 AM     Points: 1583    
All points are good and well ment.Now how do we get from point A to B? Don't we know a guy that works at Chatty? I think we should ask him to see if the "powers to be" would listen to our ideas and or be open to some brainstorming and such. Maybe let us poor guys that have to live with the madness sugest some stuff.Who knows . . . .ranger at Chatty might be sharring this as we speak.And remember . . .this is a learning curve for the rangers too,change don't come fast for them,budgets,chain of command,and all sorts of other things put plenty of speed bumps in their lifes.
You know . . .I know a group of people that banded together and everyone wrote a letter to "the powers to be" about a problem in their area.I guess when you receive 500+ letters about a problem(all letters must be well written and personal) asking for them to fix said problem and to send a relpy explaining how they are going to fix the problem . . .get the picture?
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

 Reply by: ChatfieldSP      Posted: 8/25/2017 2:32:45 PM     Points: 868    
Hey everyone Ranger Green here,

I've been following this thread since the beginning and you all make some very good points about the operation of the North Boat Ramp at Chatfield State Park. After reading Hawaiian Punch's post I wanted to make sure you all weren't being kept in the dark any longer. Due to the reallocation project that will be happening out here and it starting at the North Boat Ramp we have a unique opportunity.

Our operations manager and I have been talking about putting together an invite only workshop with some stakeholders of the both the fishing community as well as the powerboat community to try and come to a better way of doing things. Now this meeting probably won't happen until October or later, but I want you all to understand we aren't just ignoring what has been said on here.

Now as I said this won't be an open house town meeting style, but I will make sure that we have a broad enough group of stakeholders to let some positive outcomes come from it. There will definitely be a spot for Tightline Outdoors due to their continued partnership with the park. I will be in contact with some of this Forum's Admins in the coming weeks to try and get some representatives from this forum as well. If there are one or two people you as a community believe should definitely have a seat at the table let me know.

Again I appreciate that you all care enough about the park that you take time out of your days to come up with solutions that improve the park for everyone.

Tight lines,
Ranger Green

 Reply by: Hawaiian Punch      Posted: 8/25/2017 5:21:15 PM     Points: 1583    
Here's a thought . . . .A few yrs ago,I was fishing at Carter lake . . .when I came in off the lake to leave,there was a man on the dock,he was a volunteer and keep things in order and moving along. He had a boat hook and knew how to talk to people and things were smooth!Any chance some kind of operation like that could be put into use?
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 8/27/2017 6:50:21 PM     Points: 571    
That's really great to hear ranger green! Thank you for your diligence!!! Sounds like things are moving the right direction!
 Reply by: team FMFO      Posted: 8/27/2017 8:45:48 PM     Points: 3304    
I would say Ajax & Gh82 would have things running smoothly in no time . :)
 Reply by: bhos      Posted: 8/28/2017 8:40:12 PM     Points: 571    
Although I dont have the pleasure of knowing nate and co, I am sure they would represent the community well. They have been. I would be happy to volunteer, but there are more heavily contributing and intelligent people in this community than myself.
 Reply by: Desertsky      Posted: 9/13/2017 8:40:21 AM     Points: 404    
Having dedicated launch and recovery lanes would be real helpful. These could be changed as conditions change (more launch lanes in the morning and recovery lanes in the afternoon, etc). Simple colored cones to mark them. Violators get kicked out of the park.
 Reply by: kicker      Posted: 9/13/2017 11:23:55 AM     Points: 112    
Any changes may help if they follow the new set up,
but I believe unless their is a dock master controlling the inconsiderate people it will be a limited improvement.
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 9/13/2017 12:05:05 PM     Points: 2477    
Ranger Green,

Thanks for staying in the loop.

IMO, the issue is not rocket science but “the devil will be in the details”. Too complex a set of rules and compliance/enforcement becomes difficult…too simple, and little is accomplished.

I would suggest focusing narrowly on the key improvement goal which is getting folks in/out of the water as smoothly as possible. No need to "gold plate" with a myriad of other rules.

Thanks again for your participation. Let me know if I can help.
 Reply by: Kermatt      Posted: 9/14/2017 3:12:30 PM     Points: 616    
Have they fixed the light pole at the north launch yet? That thing was out for almost the entire summer last year, total hazard trying to trailer at night in the complete dark.

Here's another suggestion too, there used to be a fishing line recycling container...EVERY lake should have one of these at the ramp. I pick up fishing line evry time i go out, it would encourage shore fisherman to stuff random pieces that they find on shore in the right place.

Just my .02

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