Like Kev hard to tell from the pictures. If I remember correct, a spotted bass's jaw doesn't extend past it's eye. And it has a "spot " at the end of it's lateral line. Looking at the picts. My guess is Spot. But I too am not sure.
Here is a small LMB and as you can see his jaw bone extends a good length behind the eye, the pics on your second post look like LMB but the jaw bone/line just don't look like that of a LMB, its hard to say but I still think its a spot, but I defiantly am no expert.
Niko, I have never seen a smallie with a lateral line that looks like the fish on the 2nd pick, their line is very small and not so distinct, when I caught that about 3 weeks ago I also thought what the heck is this, so I believe it might be a cross, but who knows.
Reply by: Smelly Posted: 4/29/2017 8:07:15 AM Points: 23141
Thinking Smallie on that middle picture Dizzel They come in a million " Variations " but the basic pattern says Smallmouth. Spots are patterned more like Largemouths. And NOT all Smallmouth Bass are " Red Eyed Devils ". They can have plain dark eyes too. But I also won't say your wrong either. Because a "Hybrid " cross might be possible.
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Reply by: Toadfish Posted: 4/29/2017 9:35:35 AM Points: 3788
I've seen SMB, LMB, and spots so far in the pics. AWB your original pics look like spots. Dizzel, your 2nd pic is def a smallie, I've seen them with very definite lines, and I've seen them very dark with almost no lines at all. Could be a hybrid, I don't know a whole lot about species crossing as far as bass go. The 3rd pic below I believe is a spot out of Chatty, but not 100% sure
Reply by: Colorado Bass Man Posted: 4/29/2017 11:28:26 AM Points: 4
Dizzel I wonder if the one you have cupped in your hand is a war mouth. Smallmouth and large mouth have been know to cross bread in the right situation. I guess it would be possible for a spot and smallie to cross breed. They are also referred to as meanmouth when they cross breed
Reply by: dizzel Posted: 4/29/2017 11:46:54 AM Points: 23488
Colorado Bass Man, I don't think so on the meanmouth or warmouth, I would catch them in texas in small ponds and don't think they get as big as the fish pictured in my reply's, I still however believe Angler's pics are spots and my first reply are all spots with the one in the middle might be a spot/small mouth cross but like I said I defiantly am no expert, I just know they are all fun to catch.
Appearance: Spotted bass are similar to largemouth bass, but unlike the largemouth, the spotted bass has scales on the base portion of the second dorsal fin their first and second dorsal fins are clearly connected, and its upper jaw does not extend past the eye. A rectangular tooth patch on the tongue also helps distinguish the spotted bass from other black bass species such as the largemouth bass and shoal bass. Habitat: They prefer small to medium streams and rivers with clear, slow-moving water, and gravel or rock bottoms. Seldom found in natural lakes, and they do not enter brackish water. Behavior: Grow slower than largemouth bass and do not attain as large a size as other black bass. Additional Information State Record: 3.75 lbs. Big Catch minimum: 16 inches or 2 lbs. Fishing Tips and Facts: Strong fighters when caught on light tackle. Popular lures and baits include jigs, crankbaits, spinners, small plastic worms and crayfish.
The dorsal fin is a spotting feature as well, compare dizzels 3rd pic with the second group of pics AWB posted.
Small largemouth seem to have some variance in the size of the jaw based on body condition (thickness and length). I think they are largemouth, they are also missing the lower body stripes or dots, but since I wasn't there can't say for sure!
Reply by: anglerwannabe Posted: 4/30/2017 6:57:47 AM Points: 55207
ok guys here's my problem.. look at this pic, it's a LMB a little smaller than the fish I posted earlier. My initial thought when I caught them was LMB.. no spots under lateral line and so on. BUT look at the mouths.. the mouths on my original pics are TINY compared to this guy. You can see the V in the jaw bone and that will extend past his eye, whereas the others are almost oval and do not extend past the eye. That's what makes it challenging for me.
Lol not all strains of largemouth are as apparent with the mouth beyond the eye Florida are the most apparent none in Colorado so. Northern large mouth do not show as much. But are abundant in Colorado. Spots are a rarity in Colorado and as far as I New lived in one drainage area and the lakes in that area. Knowing where Jim was fishing good possibility. Boyd and up north not so much. Please correct me if I am wrong but spots where hard to get to take anywhere but the southern half of the state.
Dizzel's second pic appears to be a "meanmouth" - smallie/spot hybrid, and not terribly uncommon. A warmouth, at least to my knowledge, is a different species altogether unless there is some regional dialect involved. CL
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I'll have to break this post into a couple of posts to get all the pictures on.
Since Anglerwannabe was the first to post, I will address his bass first.
It is a Largemouth Bass, Micropterus salmoides. In fact, all the images that he posted are Largemouth Bass. The maxilla extending beyond the eye is not always dependable... especially on juvenile bass!! However, the dorsal fin transition between the spiny rays and the soft rays are a huge indicator (observed in the pictures). In addition, the lack of lines along the ventral half (belly) of the bass is an indicator that the bass are largemouth. Lastly, the lack of opercular bars of pigmentation, which can be weak, but usually not strong on largemouth bass of the sizes represented.
I'm going to suggest that you compare the meanmouth below with the smallmouth picture that he also has posted and the spotted bass picture above.
Now, the differences are more subtle as both species have opercular bars of pigment and continuous dorsal fins. However, you will be able to observe that the Spotted Bass, Micropterus punctulatus, has a greater "connection" between the spiny and soft dorsal rays. Also observe that the background pigment on a Spotted Bass is distinctly green, only coming down laterally to just below the horizontal band. The Smallmouth Bass, Micropterus dolomieu, has background pigment of more gold to bronze (yellow in color) that can come down to the ventral lateral portions of the fish (lower belly).
Excellent topic and pictures everyone and good job on the observations.
Reply by: Fishful Thinker Posted: 5/2/2017 8:46:38 AM Points: 10920
Thanks Fishseal. Also for the others that asked...no spotted bass have been confirmed in Boyd, even in CPW net sampling last I checked. I'm sure those being ID'd as such are juvenile largies similar to AWB's posted pics. CL