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Fish: Spotted Bass

Spotted Bass??

Post By: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/28/2017 4:07:07 PM     Points: 50391    
haven't caught one in a while and I believe these are spotted bass not LMBs.. what you folks think?
 Reply by: Kev-o      Posted: 4/28/2017 6:30:13 PM     Points: 53607    
From the pictures I've seen posted on fxr and the fish species page here it sure looks like a spotted bass. I'm not a 100% though.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/28/2017 6:42:01 PM     Points: 50391    
that's what I think too Kev. But am uncertain, that's why I'm asking to see what others think.
 Reply by: Smelly      Posted: 4/28/2017 7:01:48 PM     Points: 22336    
Like Kev hard to tell from the pictures. If I remember correct, a spotted bass's jaw doesn't extend past it's eye. And it has a "spot " at the end of it's lateral line. Looking at the picts. My guess is Spot. But I too am not sure.
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 4/28/2017 8:19:48 PM     Points: 23158    
Hard to tell by the picture but by the looks of where the jaw folds are on your picture I would say spot as it doesn't look like it extends past the eye, the pictures I posted are definite spots.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/28/2017 8:28:09 PM     Points: 50391    
here are a couple more pics, might help. I've caught tons of LMB and at this size I'm used to a larger mouth. Since I've not caught lots of spotted bass..am unsure.
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 4/28/2017 8:53:52 PM     Points: 23158    
Here is a small LMB and as you can see his jaw bone extends a good length behind the eye, the pics on your second post look like LMB but the jaw bone/line just don't look like that of a LMB, its hard to say but I still think its a spot, but I defiantly am no expert.
 Reply by: Niko12      Posted: 4/28/2017 9:08:53 PM     Points: 353    
Dizzel your first post includes a smallmouth not a spot.
 Reply by: ultralightfanatic      Posted: 4/28/2017 9:20:10 PM     Points: 814    
They all look like lm bass to me, that goes for Dizzles as well. I agree AWB, looks like a spot to me.
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 4/28/2017 9:28:39 PM     Points: 23158    
Niko, I have never seen a smallie with a lateral line that looks like the fish on the 2nd pick, their line is very small and not so distinct, when I caught that about 3 weeks ago I also thought what the heck is this, so I believe it might be a cross, but who knows.
 Reply by: Niko12      Posted: 4/28/2017 10:16:37 PM     Points: 353    
Yeah when I saw that pic I noticed the brown like color and the dark blotches that smallies have. Also the distinct 3 bars on their cheeks.
 Reply by: IceFishingFool      Posted: 4/28/2017 11:28:35 PM     Points: 8544    
second picture doesn't show a red eye.
 Reply by: Tbubb      Posted: 4/29/2017 12:43:57 AM     Points: 18708    
Good catch Bud. That is interesting!
 Reply by: Kev-o      Posted: 4/29/2017 7:37:57 AM     Points: 53607    
Hopefully fishseal will chime in.
 Reply by: Smelly      Posted: 4/29/2017 8:07:15 AM     Points: 22336    
Thinking Smallie on that middle picture Dizzel They come in a million " Variations " but the basic pattern says Smallmouth. Spots are patterned more like Largemouths. And NOT all Smallmouth Bass are " Red Eyed Devils ". They can have plain dark eyes too. But I also won't say your wrong either. Because a "Hybrid " cross might be possible.

Cant We Do Easy Stuff On This Site !!! SHEESHE !!!
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/29/2017 8:24:31 AM     Points: 50391    
LOL Smelly, thats why I posted.. this one is a challenge. But lots of good info already shared by everyone.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 4/29/2017 8:28:06 AM     Points: 9760    
Kev-O
Why? I'm enjoying this!! :) Besides... the thread will die as soon as I answer it!!

Smelly,
This is the easy stuff!!

Since AWB wants this to be an educational thread... I'll hold my answer for later. But I'm watching this thread.

FS
 Reply by: Smelly      Posted: 4/29/2017 8:58:47 AM     Points: 22336    
Only for YOU Fish Seal ! The rest of us are "Mere Mortals " ! LOL
 Reply by: Toadfish      Posted: 4/29/2017 9:35:35 AM     Points: 3788    
I've seen SMB, LMB, and spots so far in the pics. AWB your original pics look like spots. Dizzel, your 2nd pic is def a smallie, I've seen them with very definite lines, and I've seen them very dark with almost no lines at all. Could be a hybrid, I don't know a whole lot about species crossing as far as bass go. The 3rd pic below I believe is a spot out of Chatty, but not 100% sure
 Reply by: Mr. Fly Fisherman      Posted: 4/29/2017 10:17:20 AM     Points: 148    
Next time check for a rough patch on their tongue.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/29/2017 10:44:25 AM     Points: 50391    
good advice.. thanks
 Reply by: Colorado Bass Man      Posted: 4/29/2017 11:28:26 AM     Points: 4    
Dizzel I wonder if the one you have cupped in your hand is a war mouth. Smallmouth and large mouth have been know to cross bread in the right situation. I guess it would be possible for a spot and smallie to cross breed. They are also referred to as meanmouth when they cross breed
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 4/29/2017 11:46:54 AM     Points: 23158    
Colorado Bass Man, I don't think so on the meanmouth or warmouth, I would catch them in texas in small ponds and don't think they get as big as the fish pictured in my reply's, I still however believe Angler's pics are spots and my first reply are all spots with the one in the middle might be a spot/small mouth cross but like I said I defiantly am no expert, I just know they are all fun to catch.
 Reply by: Colorado Bass Man      Posted: 4/29/2017 12:09:39 PM     Points: 4    
I no expert either just a thought I was having about that particular fish. I've only read about them. I'm good with any bass bass tugging on my line.
 Reply by: rkhancock      Posted: 4/29/2017 12:31:09 PM     Points: 21867    
It's hard to tell the difference in a picture. The best way to tell is a patch of teeth on the Tounge.
 Reply by: RPG      Posted: 4/29/2017 1:02:03 PM     Points: 6212    
From Florida Fish & Wildlife Commission site:

Spotted Bass: Micropterus punctulatus

Appearance:
Spotted bass are similar to largemouth bass, but unlike the largemouth, the spotted bass has scales on the base portion of the second dorsal fin their first and second dorsal fins are clearly connected, and its upper jaw does not extend past the eye. A rectangular tooth patch on the tongue also helps distinguish the spotted bass from other black bass species such as the largemouth bass and shoal bass.
Habitat:
They prefer small to medium streams and rivers with clear, slow-moving water, and gravel or rock bottoms. Seldom found in natural lakes, and they do not enter brackish water.
Behavior:
Grow slower than largemouth bass and do not attain as large a size as other black bass.
Additional Information
State Record: 3.75 lbs.
Big Catch minimum: 16 inches or 2 lbs.
Fishing Tips and Facts: Strong fighters when caught on light tackle. Popular lures and baits include jigs, crankbaits, spinners, small plastic worms and crayfish.
 Reply by: spicyhombre      Posted: 4/29/2017 3:06:27 PM     Points: 5380    
Are there Spotted Bass in Boyd? A few weeks ago I think I caught one. Very light color compared to most LM Bass and jaw to mid eye. I wish I took a picture.
 Reply by: bluecollarguy      Posted: 4/29/2017 3:48:09 PM     Points: 43    
The dorsal fin is a spotting feature as well, compare dizzels 3rd pic with the second group of pics AWB posted.

Small largemouth seem to have some variance in the size of the jaw based on body condition (thickness and length). I think they are largemouth, they are also missing the lower body stripes or dots, but since I wasn't there can't say for sure!

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 Reply by: rkhancock      Posted: 4/29/2017 4:54:59 PM     Points: 21867    
@spicy. Last fall I caught some spots in Boyd believe. They fought harder than largemouth of the same size and they had the tooth patch on the Tounge. Largemouth do not have the patch of teeth
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 4/29/2017 6:31:45 PM     Points: 29829    
Sorry guys....grass carp. Sorry, had to do it.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/29/2017 7:06:57 PM     Points: 50391    
Curtis I think you nailed it
 Reply by: Kev-o      Posted: 4/29/2017 7:10:40 PM     Points: 53607    
It's like nobody knows for sure lol. Maybe arctic bass.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 4/30/2017 6:57:47 AM     Points: 50391    
ok guys here's my problem.. look at this pic, it's a LMB a little smaller than the fish I posted earlier. My initial thought when I caught them was LMB.. no spots under lateral line and so on. BUT look at the mouths.. the mouths on my original pics are TINY compared to this guy. You can see the V in the jaw bone and that will extend past his eye, whereas the others are almost oval and do not extend past the eye. That's what makes it challenging for me.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 4/30/2017 3:39:21 PM     Points: 9760    
Awww, isn't it cute!!!!
Just a little finger nibbler.

FS :)
 Reply by: elkinthebag      Posted: 4/30/2017 5:41:09 PM     Points: 2088    
Lol not all strains of largemouth are as apparent with the mouth beyond the eye Florida are the most apparent none in Colorado so. Northern large mouth do not show as much. But are abundant in Colorado. Spots are a rarity in Colorado and as far as I New lived in one drainage area and the lakes in that area. Knowing where Jim was fishing good possibility. Boyd and up north not so much. Please correct me if I am wrong but spots where hard to get to take anywhere but the southern half of the state.
 Reply by: ultralightfanatic      Posted: 4/30/2017 7:39:06 PM     Points: 814    
awb, that last pic is a large-mouth. Bron and Kev-o have no clue it seems.
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 4/30/2017 9:38:28 PM     Points: 29829    
Grass carp ULF.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/1/2017 1:34:34 PM     Points: 9760    
Anyone else like to chime in?

I'll throw my two cents in tonight. :)

FS
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/1/2017 1:37:13 PM     Points: 9760    
Dizzel and AWB,

May I use your pictures, modify them, to help illustrate?

FS
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 5/1/2017 1:51:36 PM     Points: 50391    
FS - yes pls do
 Reply by: Smelly      Posted: 5/1/2017 1:55:57 PM     Points: 22336    

hey Mr Fish Seal Another post ( now on page 2 ) about a Splake Id. Can you make a call on that one too. Me and Skiman are standing alone on that one. Just curious . Thanks in advance.
 Reply by: Fishful Thinker      Posted: 5/1/2017 6:06:16 PM     Points: 10859    
Dizzel's second pic appears to be a "meanmouth" - smallie/spot hybrid, and not terribly uncommon. A warmouth, at least to my knowledge, is a different species altogether unless there is some regional dialect involved. CL
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 5/1/2017 6:10:52 PM     Points: 29829    
I thought warmouth were a type of sunfish back east.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/1/2017 8:02:32 PM     Points: 9760    
So, briefly while I work on some pictures to illustrate some differences, I wanted to point out a couple of things.

Fishful Thinker is correct that Dizzel's second fish is a "meanmouth" or a spotted x smallmouth bass hybrid. I'll illustrate why soon.

Also, Fishful Thinker and bron are correct that warmouth are a separate species of panfish that is typically found east of Colorado.

Okay... in the meantime, I'm working on the pictures and a post to identify the bass.

FS
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 5/1/2017 8:44:14 PM     Points: 23158    
FS you most certainly can. I knew something was up with that bass when I caught it, thanks for clearing it up, look forward to the illustrations.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/1/2017 8:48:17 PM     Points: 9760    
The moment you all have been waiting for... my two cents. Take it for what it is worth. :)

I'll have to break this post into a couple of posts to get all the pictures on.

Since Anglerwannabe was the first to post, I will address his bass first.

It is a Largemouth Bass, Micropterus salmoides. In fact, all the images that he posted are Largemouth Bass.
The maxilla extending beyond the eye is not always dependable... especially on juvenile bass!! However, the dorsal fin transition between the spiny rays and the soft rays are a huge indicator (observed in the pictures). In addition, the lack of lines along the ventral half (belly) of the bass is an indicator that the bass are largemouth. Lastly, the lack of opercular bars of pigmentation, which can be weak, but usually not strong on largemouth bass of the sizes represented.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/1/2017 8:52:23 PM     Points: 9760    
Dizzel, on the other hand, has some great pictures of spotted bass.

I should have waited for Dizzel's permission, but I am hoping that he doesn't mind me using them for illustration and modification.

You'll notice that the differences pointed out on anglerwannabe's bass are present here. Even when compared to the Florida Game and Fish's illustration.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 5/1/2017 8:54:08 PM     Points: 50391    
thanks Sean! And also everyone else! This turned up some great info.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/1/2017 8:59:11 PM     Points: 9760    
Lastly, Dizzel's "meanmouth".

I'm going to suggest that you compare the meanmouth below with the smallmouth picture that he also has posted and the spotted bass picture above.

Now, the differences are more subtle as both species have opercular bars of pigment and continuous dorsal fins. However, you will be able to observe that the Spotted Bass, Micropterus punctulatus, has a greater "connection" between the spiny and soft dorsal rays. Also observe that the background pigment on a Spotted Bass is distinctly green, only coming down laterally to just below the horizontal band. The Smallmouth Bass, Micropterus dolomieu, has background pigment of more gold to bronze (yellow in color) that can come down to the ventral lateral portions of the fish (lower belly).

Excellent topic and pictures everyone and good job on the observations.

FS
 Reply by: dizzel      Posted: 5/1/2017 9:22:33 PM     Points: 23158    
Great info to share FS, greatly appreciate your replies!
 Reply by: Kev-o      Posted: 5/1/2017 9:37:24 PM     Points: 53607    
Great information fishseal!
 Reply by: Fishful Thinker      Posted: 5/2/2017 8:46:38 AM     Points: 10859    
Thanks Fishseal. Also for the others that asked...no spotted bass have been confirmed in Boyd, even in CPW net sampling last I checked. I'm sure those being ID'd as such are juvenile largies similar to AWB's posted pics. CL

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