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Fish: Grass Carp

A New Carp Obbession

Post By: Jimmy Ice      Posted: 2/13/2017 1:10:37 PM     Points: 538    
I don't know if it's catching some decent size lakers or a nice cat which got me excited about catching a fish that puts up a fight but I've been thinking a lot about carp fishing ever since last year when I got into my first one, it was 27 inches and the best fighting fish I've ever caught. Since than I haven't been able to hook one and am really getting an itch for one.

I caught that one using wonder bread with strawberry jam from McDonald's.

I may be asking too much and by all means don't even respond if you dont want to but I'd like to know what some of you suggest is the best bait for Grass Carp specifically or what you've used that may have work well?
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/13/2017 2:29:43 PM     Points: 29819    
You are on the right track with the wonder bread. Best advice I can give you is bring several flavors of bread, and unflavored, and worms and corn. If one works stick with it until it doesnt anymore then start trying the other baits.
 Reply by: Jimmy Ice      Posted: 2/13/2017 4:31:51 PM     Points: 538    
Thanks bron, I think i'll get more variety when it comes to jam or extract perhaps grape.

Are cherry tomatoes any good for grass carp? I read that online.
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 2/13/2017 5:00:30 PM     Points: 50226    
you know bron, maybe you should take Jimmy to Harper and teach him the tricks of the carp trade?
 Reply by: Kev-o      Posted: 2/13/2017 5:05:19 PM     Points: 53607    
That could turn out to be fun bron.
 Reply by: fargingicehole      Posted: 2/13/2017 5:07:44 PM     Points: 24765    
I wanna learn too!
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/13/2017 6:11:20 PM     Points: 29819    
Maybe we could all meet there....when's good for you Jim?
 Reply by: phidoux      Posted: 2/13/2017 7:58:30 PM     Points: 5380    
This is my dads recipe for dough ball that I found after he passed. We always did good with it as I remember growing up. I just made some and added a can of whole kernel corn fluid and all. Mix it up to the consistency of bread dough and make sure it is sticky so it will stay on the hook. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet with the corn added hopefully soon. Good luck
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/13/2017 9:40:22 PM     Points: 29819    
That's really cool Ray...thanks!
 Reply by: ColoradoRay      Posted: 2/13/2017 10:29:21 PM     Points: 20871    
That recipe sounds kinda good. Heck, I might chomp on some of that myself.
 Reply by: ralpert      Posted: 2/14/2017 6:01:51 AM     Points: 143    
I think it would be fun to meet up at a local carp lake and share some recipes. I use a basic oatmeal, cream corn, breadcrumb, karo syrup mix that works real well.
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/14/2017 6:10:57 AM     Points: 29819    
I think Stearns, Sienna, or Lambertson would be better than Harper. April or May. Or Arbor.
 Reply by: ralpert      Posted: 2/14/2017 7:29:09 AM     Points: 143    
Sienna has carp?
 Reply by: the-fishing-guy      Posted: 2/14/2017 7:30:35 AM     Points: 145    
TRY A CAN O CORN A CAN O CORN!!!LOL fill up the treble hook and set drag and wait.. That's how I catch them around here.. Get extra sweet corn green giant brand
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/14/2017 7:32:35 AM     Points: 29819    
I thought so...maybe you know otherwise Richard. Adams county fairgrounds might be good too. I like Arbor...works good for the tourney.
 Reply by: Jimmy Ice      Posted: 2/14/2017 9:29:54 AM     Points: 538    
Hey guy sorry I was away from my phone and computer for sometime last night.

Bron, I looked up Harper it's in Louisville is a bit too far from me. Stearns is too but I can make it happen. What part of town do you reside in, maybe a lake you know is good for carp that is easier for me to get to.

I like the idea of getting together, I'd love to learn a bit more about carp fishing.

Bron, I am good any weekend both Saturday or Sunday..
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/14/2017 9:38:30 AM     Points: 29819    
Richard...I found the email I was thinking of when I mentioned Sienna and I got tthe lake wrong, it is not Sienna.

Jimmy....carp arent biting well yet. Lets give it about a month and see if ee can plan a get together at Arbor maybe, if anyone else is game.
 Reply by: Jimmy Ice      Posted: 2/14/2017 9:56:50 AM     Points: 538    
No wonder I haven't been catching them, see this is exactly why I'd like to pick some of your brains about the fish. I keep trying hard thinking I'll get a bite. I'm game and sounds like Richard and few others are.
 Reply by: ralpert      Posted: 2/14/2017 10:49:52 AM     Points: 143    
You got me excited Bron. Sienna is close by and I never thought of targeting carp there. Guess I will have to fish my regular spots. I am going to head to the store and get the ingredients to make a few batches of bait.
 Reply by: dallasdb      Posted: 2/14/2017 11:43:22 AM     Points: 206    
Super simple way I catch carp:

Small bait hook loaded with sweet corn.

White bread (no crust) squeezed into a ball around the hook with the corn.

Dip in corn juice and toss out.

NO WEIGHT NEEDED.

The bread will dissipate and attract the carp.

I like to fish bail open and watch my line.
 Reply by: spicyhombre      Posted: 2/14/2017 1:02:24 PM     Points: 5380    
Sienna has 1 nice koi but no carp.

Ralpert got me on the right track last year and they are fun to catch. Quinn and I would be down for a gathering.

I like using oatmeal based pack baits with a method feeder setup. Lots on YouTube about both. Bigcarptackle.com is good source for gear.
 Reply by: spicyhombre      Posted: 2/14/2017 1:08:00 PM     Points: 5380    
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: 2/14/2017 2:25:37 PM     Points: 630    
^^^^ what these guys said !

Always nice to see another obsessed carp angler :)

JF
 Reply by: Toadfish      Posted: 2/14/2017 4:21:56 PM     Points: 3788    
Me too!! Bring me too!
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/14/2017 6:19:29 PM     Points: 29819    
When we catch one somewhere I'll put up a trip invite....you guys good with Arbor then or do you want a different venue?

John and Daris....any interest in joining in on this?
 Reply by: Jimmy Ice      Posted: 2/14/2017 6:44:39 PM     Points: 538    
No the closest lake to me about a 25 minutes drive but it'll do.
 Reply by: jman      Posted: 2/14/2017 8:00:14 PM     Points: 2244    
I though he was talking about grass carp? Grass carp are not eating trebles with corn. for grass I have had good luck with fruits and a float and small green olive slip rigged.
Carp are biting great right now just got 6 the other day in the river on my fly rod.
 Reply by: jman      Posted: 2/14/2017 8:01:27 PM     Points: 2244    
It is to cold for the grass carp tho they are blast very big challenge to actually legally catch.
 Reply by: bron      Posted: 2/14/2017 8:21:57 PM     Points: 29819    
I hope you show up Jman to whatever we end up doing. You make amazing catches.
 Reply by: spicyhombre      Posted: 2/14/2017 8:50:58 PM     Points: 5380    
Jman-
You are correct that this started as grass carp and then evolved to all carp. I should have been more clear that the info I posted was for commons.
 Reply by: Jimmy Ice      Posted: 2/15/2017 11:34:32 AM     Points: 538    
And honestly my question is on any carp, it's just that grass ones happen to be the big ones.

One of you said it's hard to catch a grass carp legally. That's pretty funny considering how a lot of counties don't like the over population and will attempt to pass a rule to allow bow hunting them or may have to use the stunning to get rid of some. Why not allow fisherman to harvest them and make it a hell of a lot easier and spend less money trying to reduce the numbers?
 Reply by: ralpert      Posted: 2/15/2017 1:54:08 PM     Points: 143    
From my experience, Grass Carp don't tend to get active until the water warms up. Someone on here told me that if the water is too cold they can't digest food.
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: 2/15/2017 3:52:00 PM     Points: 630    
Corn, maize (prepared), small raw vegetables, fruit flavored baits, floating bread chunks, dough balls, all can work great for grass carp. Natural baits (worms, flies, etc) would be highly effective in cold water, the carp are looking for a bait that's easily digestible in these cold conditions.

Do remember, most grass carp (we are not talking the vile big head, or silver carp here) were stocked deliberately, and at a cost, for weed control. I always recommend returning grass carp to swim again, unless there is a specific local rule on that water to remove them. Their life span is fairly short in carp years, they grow quick, get the job done, then perish. The plan is for them, when released by CPW, is for the fish to be sterile and unable to breed - of course, in very rare instances, nature finds a way !

I also scale down the size of my gear used in cold water, smaller hooks, smaller bait, tiny amounts (or none at all) of pack bait.

Rivers would be my go to destination for sure (especially if I had > 0 ability with a fly rod, or a floating clear bubble + leader to a fly), the carp have to swim, they have to keep moving, thus they have to continue eating.

For lakes, still bodies of water, try the shallow areas, that receive the most sun, warm up quicker, or anywhere with an inlet if the water is warmer. Cover, weeds, brush, the carp can hold up in as well.

Most catch reports I have seen this year are from our rivers, yet some are from lakes that have already thawed. The carp do seem to be feeding earlier this year, could be a great season ahead !

Best of luck !
John
<still coming out of hibernation>
 Reply by: FISHRANGLER      Posted: 2/16/2017 7:23:21 AM     Points: 1682    
Bron I'd be interested in chasing some grassers we targeted the record a few times last year. Tricky fish to catch unless your using a lure 😂 lol
This is one of a few common carp landed this winter.
James, John FINNEY's buddy has been landing them too probably making John sick.
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: 2/16/2017 7:40:38 AM     Points: 6121    
Best grass carp bait I ever used was simply flour mixed with strawberry jam. Have caught a ton of grass carp with it. Mix the two until you obtain a dough-like mixture. It forms a pretty heavy doughball so just form it into a ball on a sz. 4 hook with no sinkers or anything.

Dried fruit like craisins, raisins, dates etc. work too. Corn tends to just catch commons.

They're pretty dumb for any fruit-flavored bait so the most important part is finding the ponds with more grass carp than commons. Mary's Lake in RMA has some huge grassers, if you live on the north side I would start there. Everywhere else it's just a matter of going to these ponds on sunny days and looking for fish basking near the surface. They'll often hang out under fruit-bearing trees/bushes like crabapples, mullberries, and russian olives.

If you want to get them on the fly, wait for when the cottonwood trees start shedding, They'll readily come up to eat the seeds and a big white fly will do the job.
 Reply by: FISHRANGLER      Posted: 2/16/2017 7:54:50 AM     Points: 1682    
^^ good info
You can also use the cotton wood itself

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