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Lake: Eleven Mile Reservoir
Fish: Walleye

Start a Movement !!!

Post By: Easter      Posted: 12/28/2007 1:59:56 PM     Points: 165    
Since the report of Gill Lice damaging the Salmon population at 11 Mile, lets start a campaign to stock Walleye in it! We need a higher lake to ice fish for them in. According to other reports there are already Perch in there so why not Walleye? Come on Colorado Walleye Assoc. this would be a great place. Isn't there enough places for Kokes.
 Reply by: TightLine      Posted: 12/28/2007 3:42:06 PM     Points: 563    
That would be sweet. But there's not a substantial enough food source for them. There is craw fish but walleye's dont gain a whole lot of nutrition off them. And I dont think there are enough perch to live on for a long period of time.
TLO
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/28/2007 6:36:11 PM     Points: 165    
Walleye feed on trout do't they? Maybe they could put more Perch in there. Just a thought. I would rather pay a guide for day of Walleye fishing than trout.
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/28/2007 6:47:50 PM     Points: 165    
Tightline- I tried to email you for rates for ice fishing for Walleyes but got a message back that your mailbox was full. Try kceaster@msn.com when you get the chance.
 Reply by: TightLine      Posted: 12/28/2007 7:25:24 PM     Points: 563    
Yes if they would put more perch in that would work, but perch eat a lot of the same food the trout do and it would hurt the trout fishery and the d.o.w would not let that happen. People spend more money on trout than perch, although I would like the perch thing. And yes walleye eat trout but only certain size trout are easy to catch and in the long run wears the walleye's out chasing them. Even in all the front range lakes where trout are very prevalent only the mature fish feed on them and even then it is not high on there list because they are harder to catch than a shad or perch. My rates are $250 for a group up to 4, but whether it's 1 person or 4 it is $250. After the first of the year it is raising to $300. I will honor the $250 if you book the trip in the next couple of days.
TLO (303)947-8327
 Reply by: ePiC      Posted: 12/28/2007 9:08:57 PM     Points: 494    
I think Id much rather see smallies stocked in there than walleye. Anyone seen that smallie that was caught there this year man that lake could produce some nice smallmouth if they would give them a chance to take hold.
 Reply by: TightLine      Posted: 12/28/2007 9:23:47 PM     Points: 563    
If we could ever have a walleye lake in this state that does not also harbor bass, we'd be in heaven. As much fun as you guys have fishing for them, we just don't have the interest in them. They're fun, but they're easy. They interfere with my walleye fishing, but this is just my own personal opinion. I think Eleven Mile should stay just the way it is. My husband might not agree with me, but I think pike, trout and salmon is good enough, give or a take a perch or bass here or there. I personally don't think we need another bass lake and I would really hate to see a lake filled with skinny starving walleye from lack of food source.

Stephanie
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: 12/29/2007 12:36:53 PM     Points: 6130    
I agree with tightline. Plus, there's too many teeth in there already (pike). Pike are more fun to catch (and better to eat) than any bass, anyway.

Easter, there are quite a few smaller lakes and ponds in the denver area that hold stocked saugeye or walleye. If you're willing to do some digging, you can find plenty of lakes with walleyes (some even have some large fish). Get a Fishing close to home or Kip Carey's official Colorado fishing guide to help you on your quest.
 Reply by: ColoradoJoe      Posted: 12/29/2007 5:01:08 PM     Points: 317    
Sounds like the Walleye folks don't want the Bass fishermen catching all the good walleye! Which some are really good at doing.(wink) To have both species, Smallmouth and Walleye, in Elevenmile, would be both wonderful and a miracle. Both species would do well with each other, both feeding on Perch and the Smallmouth eating on the millions of Crawcritters. We, the bass guys, have been just scraping the surface of what we would have to do to make it a possibilty. It would take a force of Walleye and Bass fisherpersons "together" to make someone even look at the possibilities. Together, we might be able to handle the costs of doing an evironmental and revenue impact study that shows that the introduction of these species will not totally destroy the trout fishery in that body of water. At this point, I am not 100% sure that our warm water species wouldn't affect the smaller trout population, unless you feed all the teeth with more perch. I am sure the revenue increase at, around and for the lake would be tremendous! The Trouters, you know who I mean, will have a lot of backing, financial and legal, trying to prevent that from ever happening. Only by sheer numbers can we ever get this idea even on the table. maybe it is time to join forces. Sure would be kewl to know that Fish Explorer was the breeding ground for a major fish movement like this! CJ
 Reply by: TightLine      Posted: 12/29/2007 5:47:27 PM     Points: 563    
This is Nathan and it's true that my wife and I don't care for smallies. During tournaments and guiding our world revolves, around patterns and for us smallies are worse than weather fronts. When a group of smallies moves in it changes everything. Yes the smallies seem to be dominate (I said that for the bass guys). I think of them as a pesky little sister. When it comes to work (guiding, tournaments) we just hate it when things change due to other fish. I suppose walleye guys and bass guys will never see eye to eye. I like your faster boats though.
TLO
 Reply by: EyeHunter27      Posted: 12/29/2007 5:51:32 PM     Points: 131    
Maybe the walleye guys are tired of wading through bass...LOL!! I agree with TLO's train of thought, bass just get in the way of my fishing! I'm sure Chad will give me hell over this post...:)!
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/29/2007 9:02:49 PM     Points: 165    
brookie- I want to icefish for Walleye alittle closer to home. I hate to make the trip to Denver for anything and that would probably included fishing. It just seems that all the lakes (Outside of Denver) are home to Trout. They need some more smaller lakes with Perch, Sunfish, Crappie, Bluegills, Bass, and Walleye. I know there are plenty out east, but more around the south eastern side close to the mountains for ice fishing. Then there are the people that argue that they are warm water fish. What do you call Minn. and Wisc.? those fish do awsome there. I'm just saying it would be great. Down here we have Brush Hollow Res. which was good for awhile until they put the trout in there. Now everyone with a snoopy pole goes there, and the fishing isn't that great.
 Reply by: Hotfish      Posted: 12/29/2007 10:00:07 PM     Points: 24    
Hi guys and girls, having a biology background in fresh water fish species, perch and bass don't mix with trout, walleye do since their habitat is a bit different, pike wasn't the best choice but is still present in Eleven Mile Lake. Walleye would remain a very plausible choice.
 Reply by: ColoradoJoe      Posted: 12/29/2007 10:26:39 PM     Points: 317    
I too know what a pain Smallies are when fishing for Walleye. I learned from them in Walleye fishing and Bass fishing. I found that when the Smallies were at a depth or range, on a hump or somekind of structure, the Eyes were "always" about 10-15 feet deeper someplace close by using the same structure. I started throwing deeper diving plugs, or pulled my "Lindy Rig Imitations" that much deeper, when I ran into that situation and usually found my prey. I also found the Smallies easier to pattern than Largemouth, because they like what Walleye like, and used them to jump start my Bass fishing career.

As far as Walleye in Eleven Mile, I think they need more Perch to keep them off the Trout. The weeds, being what they are, should help keep the Perch plentiful. Having some other species, even Smallies, would also give the Pike some other choices besides the Trout. Very interesting discussion though. I like hearing thoughts from other groups besides us Bass guys. CJ
 Reply by: RonnyCast      Posted: 12/30/2007 2:23:05 AM     Points: 2304    
I suppose we should be thankful we live in state where walleye, smallmouth, trout, pike, perch, and countless other species of fish are all out there for our entertainment. I find nothing funnier then the all the opinions when it comes to what fish we like to catch and how we like to catch them. I think it often comes down to where a person was raised and well, who taught them how to fish. Fly guy thinks fly fishing is king and all other fishing pursuits are just folly so he sits on his high horse and scoffs at all others. Walleye guy thinks his fish is lord of the lake and all others should be humbled in its presents so look out he is trolling bye he need to fill his fryer. Bass guy thinks flipping cover and bouncing jigs and working cranks is the end all be the entire fishing world so stay of his structure. Bait guy is the ever harassed doe ball user whom must always be on the look out for fly guy. I find it all funny. The way I have always looked at it is its all fishing. Casting, trolling, flipping, cranking, bouncing, ripping, popping, buzzing, skipping, back casting, nymphen, dry flying, wadding, floating, and yes even just sitting back drinking some bear and letting some bait float, bring it all on. Excel in all areas of fishing and just be happy. I should be so lucky when I am walleye hunting to be overwhelmed bye a ferocious pack of schooling smallies, and bring on the day when we are tearing up the points looking for the drag ripping brown missiles of the rocks and are forced to deal with a school of hungry walleye showing that they have more teeth then the smallies when itís all said and done. I look forward to they day we are looking for crappies and find our selves over whelmed and quit possible over matched bye a school of whipers. Look
I caught a pike when I was fishing for trout boo hoo. I remember days with fondness when we were out looking to targeting kingfish when a large school or blue sharks surrounded our boat and wore us and our leaders out. Heck a great day on the rivers for me will often include both a fly rod and a spinning road. The fish donít stand much a chance when you come at them from all angels. I think that some should open there minds and experience as many types of fish as they can and catch them every way that a fish can be caught. Any way you look at itís all a privilege and the worst day fishing is still better then most days not. We are blessed to have this state and all the fish here in.

Tight Lines Iím glad you donít target small mouth. That leaves more for me, but Iím not laying off your other fish ether so itís really a win/win for me, but to say there a stupid fish to target, well not sure I can agree with that. I donít feel any smarter when Iím dragging lines, planners and snap weight doing figure eights or making loops then when Iím ripping jerks, or bouncing craws and popping poppers. I feel smart just with the knowledge that Iím doing what I love. Itís a level playing field out there as all tourney participants have to know whatís swimming and eating in the lake. We are hitting the frozen fields of water tomorrow to do some whole digging so Iíll let all know how it goes.
 Reply by: TightLine      Posted: 12/30/2007 8:59:32 AM     Points: 563    
Nice opinions ronnycast, however, we never stated the bass to be stupid, I don't know if there is such a thing as a stupid fish. I DO think of them as pesky, because walleye fishing is our livelihood. Our lives, meaning mine and my husbands, revolves solely around fishing. This is not a wekend hobby. We guide full time year round and travel across the country for our walleye tournaments. If we were out there fishing for whatever is biting, I would gladly haul in a few smallies, or even carp, for that matter. But when it comes down to it, if we have clients who want walleye, we need to catch walleye, not trout, not crappie, eyes. And when we're out on the Great Lakes, we need to be able to weed through thousands of annoying sheep head in order to land that one walleye to hopefully put us in the game. I do agree with you that we all believe our fishing techniques or species is the best, but for us, it is our job and our only job, so technicalities and developing patterns different from others is extremely important.

I really do enjoy reading all the different opinions everyone has. I think this is one topic that has fulfilled the purpose of this forum. When my husband reads what I wrote, he may not even agree with what I had to say, but it's nice to get some diversity in here. I still believe that there would have to be a large shad population in Eleven Mile to start supporting the walleye.
 Reply by: TC      Posted: 12/30/2007 9:30:46 AM     Points: 2647    
I have been debating whether or not to jump into this one, so here goes... Not sure if BIG bass are easier to catch than keeper walleye. As far as quality fish go, I catch 8 keeper walleye to 1 keeper bass at Chatfield and I fish mostly for smallies out there. I think if the walleye and bass fishermen joined forces for a pro-warmwater species group, they would be a major force that the DOW would not be able to ignore. The key to a successful bass and walleye fishery is ACTIVE management! There are tons of those little "rat" smallmouth in Chatfield and they get on my nerves as much as they do Nate and Steph's I'm sure. I was fishing a tournament with Jeff Looney last year and we caught over 100 smallies. Only one was a keeper. That is a sign of passive (or poor) fisheries management. As far as I know, the DOW has never done creel surveys, shocking, or netting of bass out there to see what they have going on. Someone needs to put some thought into slot limits in this state, or at least adjust the limit and size restrictions. At Quincy they bumped the bass size limit from 15 to 18 inches and it is no problem catching 7 to 15 three pounders a day out there; a good example of active management. What is being done at Chatfield right now (nothing) is not working (duh). I really think the powers-that-be would never consider an "invasive" specie of fish, i.e. walleye or smallmouth to be stocked in Eleven Mile. The DOW shoots down warmwater every chance they get. It's time for the Walleye and Bass guys to join forces so that Trout Unlimited isn't the only big voice out there.
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/30/2007 10:37:02 AM     Points: 165    
TC- I agree, I would make a small wager that there are more bass and walleye fisherman out there looking for places to wet there lines for "The bigger Fish". I does seem that all the focus is on Trout in this state. Ok,Ok,Ok, besides the areas around Denver, can you tell me some different waters for bass, crappie, and walleye? Lets try Pueblo- how many people do you talk to that catch walleye in there and catch keeper sizes on a regular basis? Or how about keeper bass at the same location? Then there is John Martin, same result! Then you have all the lakes out east Nee Noshe, and Nee Grande, same thing there, althought they draw those lakes down so much you can't even use the boat launch sites.
Now lets talk Trinidad, same thing there!!!!! How about the state doing something else with the bass and walleye slot limits, or even spend half the time on these to species that they do on the precious TROUT.
Once again, if you took a poll in Colorado, I'd be willing to bet that there are as many or more avid fisherman that fish for bass and walleye. Just a thought!!!!
 Reply by: RonnyCast      Posted: 12/30/2007 3:40:18 PM     Points: 2304    
A pone re reading I should have said easy and pesky rather then stupid when referring to you smallie opinion. I retract said stupid and insert easy and pesky. How ever I would like to say get off your I fish for a living not just on the weekend high horse itís not like you are curing cancer.
 Reply by: TightLine      Posted: 12/30/2007 4:20:30 PM     Points: 563    
This post isn't going where we intended it to go. Good luck fishing to all.
TLO
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/30/2007 5:05:33 PM     Points: 165    
ronny- I'm not going to lower to your level and start an arguement. Reading your post was like reading Braille. As for being a weekend angler on my high horse. I live to fish, and pride myself on the ability to catch fish and releasing them for generations to come. I also pass on the art to other people. I don't charge them, however I would love to be a guide, but things aren't that easy for a family man with responsibilities. Not to say that all guides don't, there is just no way to do that at this point. I started this post to see how other people felt about the possibility of having Walleye and maybe Perch in 11Mile. Not to start a typing war among fellow anglers. All we are doing is discussing opinions. Sorry if it upset you. Enough for now, just wanted to see how other people felt. Good Luck, and good fishin.
 Reply by: RonnyCast      Posted: 12/30/2007 6:13:02 PM     Points: 2304    
Not really trying to start a fight. All opinions are valid. Perhaps the comments went a bit to far so apologies to all. Just standing up for my little brown friends the small mouth and trying to make a point off acceptance of all types of fishing and fish. No harm meant. I think itís great that the folks down at Tight Lines get to do what they love for a living. Makes me jealous.
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/30/2007 7:12:50 PM     Points: 165    
ronny- no probs, were cool. Take some of that passion and direct towards Dow about putting smallies in different areas, I feel the same about Walleye's!!!! Godd fishing, do you ice fish for smallies? I've seen it done believe it or not!
 Reply by: RonnyCast      Posted: 12/30/2007 7:34:12 PM     Points: 2304    
Not too many lakes near northern Colorado where smallies are under walkable ice. Boyd has some smallmouth in it as do a few other lakes in Loveland but not so many as to make a day of targeting them from a hole. The Tooth has the best population of smallies up here, but the ice is not safe to be on and is not permitted. We do a lot of pre ice jigging and spooning for smallies and if it was possible then I would be up for it on the Tooth. Lots of trout to be had this time of year down here. Many lakes are heavely stocked late in the year and there is a lot of walkable ice right now down low.

Once again I want to clear up that I wasn't meaning to imply that guiding and tournament fishing isn't a great job. More so saying that it shouldn't be ever made to seem as a bad one. It's a great work if you can get it and if one of the bad things one must deal with when pursuing such a passion is wadding ones way through smallies in order to find the walleye, well then things canít be all that bad. Hell a bad day or managing condos or working as a chef should be so bad. I think I said it better this time.
 Reply by: Fishful Thinker      Posted: 12/30/2007 7:55:15 PM     Points: 11226    
I've stayed out of this post for the simple fact that a bunch of it is pure opinion. This site is generally dedicted to fishing facts and information and as an editor, I choose to stay focussed on that. For the record, I think they are are valid opinions and I'm glad there is passion in our crowd.

Why am I resoponding now then? Because I think TC is correct that we should band together as warm water anglers and become more of a squeaky wheel. I do not agree that the DOW folks blow us off (in fact several folks I've worked with at the DOW are warm water anglers), but we as warm water anglers are not as organized or vocal as the more refined trouters. The DOW has no choice but to respond to its stakeholders (us), and they will listen - if we organize and present intelligent arguments and requests. Keep in mind that this post is about the number 2 and 3 sportfish in Colorado. Put them together and we could be number 1 as far as angler participation - a position that would command response from our fisheries managers. And that folks, is just my opinion. CL
 Reply by: AZXplant      Posted: 12/30/2007 9:01:44 PM     Points: 302    
For some time now I've watched these posts and been extremely interested in waht everyone has to say. I've seen fly fishermen, bass anglers,walleye hunters from the north, and everything in between. I come from a much more barren place than most - the desert of Arizona. Yes, we love our 2-4 lb. bass and crappie to fill our frying pans. We love to make the pilgrimage up north when it's 120 degrees in Phoenix and catch a limit of 8" stocked trout that don't fight and you can get better tasting fish in the barely in-code section of the supermarket. I moved to CO for three reasons - better fishing, better hunting, oh - and that job transfer thing.

In the last year I've stocked up on knowledge through BPS seminars, Nate and Sephanie's classes, and even went to the walleye school with Gary and Chase Parsons in Feb. I love hearing what works for each person and putting it to work for myself. I just wish that work thing wouldn't get in the way so often and I could practice more.

This state has more to offer than where I came from to be certain. Yes, I do enjoy throwing a fly into a river like the next guy, but when I pull up a 15" trout at Chatfield while dragging crawler harnesses, I'm upset. I'd dance a jig if I caught that fish in AZ. There are maybe two or three lakes there that hold walleye - no one cares since bass and crappie are king. Kokanee is a word only a handfull have ever heard of, and there aren't reservoirs suited to growing them there. Pike are a nuisance to those wanting to sit on shore with power bait and fill a fish basket with white-fleshed, no-color rainbows.

Since this post has been one of opinions, here's mine - count your blessings! A great lake in AZ may hold 4 or 5 types of fish, and only two or three are there in enough quantity to make it worth going after. If I had my wish, the DOW would keep trout out of warm water lakes like Chatfield, Cheery Creek, Boyd, and the like. Let those be for bass and walleye (and yes, I would like to see some better crappie out there). For trout, let's head to Evergreen, Jefferson, or other cold-water lakes and the rivers. No matter what happens in the future, I'm glad I'm here and hope to stay for a while - at least long enough to hire Nate, Bernie, and some of the other guides that post here. I will always support those who take the time to write and give seminars and help us CO rookies learn about the fishing this state has to offer. Thanks!
 Reply by: TC      Posted: 12/30/2007 11:08:53 PM     Points: 2647    
NICE POST!!
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 12/31/2007 4:39:33 PM     Points: 165    
I agree with TC, nice post.
I guess when it comes to fishing I'm spoiled, I'm from Buffalo, NY. The fishing there is out of this world. Given my choices I would move back in a heart beat. Nothing beats the food, weather, hunting (no Elk though), and yes the fishing. Unfortunately there's alittle thing called D-I-V-O-R-C-E, so now I'm stuck here because I will not walk away from my kids. My son is my fishing buddy anyways, I couldn't leave him.

Anyways, the fishing back there is out of sight, I can drive within an hour and a 1/2 from my parents house and catch everything-you name it(Trout, Salmon, Huge-Smallies, Largemouth,Walleye, Northerns, Jack Perch, Crappie, Muskie, Steelies, Lakers, Smelt) !!!!!!!! Of course no salt water fishing but the only fish I desire to fish for is Tarpon and they aren't on the east coast.

I took all that for granted when I lived back there. I just wish there was a lake closer than Denver that had Walleye, Perch, and Crappie in it that I could ice fish in. That's all.

I guess it's a good thing- I never heard of Walleye getting Whirling disease, or Gill Lice, just over harvesting, so that has to say something for them. Maybe that's God's way of evening things out.

Don't get me started on ice fishing back there, however- you can use two poles and up to six tip-ups, but the same limit. You can drive on the lakes with snowmobiles, quads, or even 4x4's. If you happen to go through the ice you face a huge fine for the pollutants placed in the water. The derbies back there, all the volunteer fire depts have pancake breakfasts and the bars are weigh in sites, with tons of contestants, and prizes!!!!!!!

I guess I'll have to make do with what I have, just wishful thinkin on my part.
 Reply by: brookieflyfisher      Posted: 12/31/2007 8:00:40 PM     Points: 6130    
The only thing I'm afraid of is some guy thinking that he has sufficient knowledge to go ahead and illegally transport walleyes (or more perch or whatever) into Elevenmile. That would be disastrous to the world-class trout and pike fishery in that lake.

The higher lakes get, the less fish mass they can support. And unfortunately, the DOW turns a better profit on trout, so that is what they keep in the lake. However, this profit allows them to spend money on projects like the walleye hatchery system and other warm-water related projects. I'm not saying it wouldn't be possible; but us walleye/perch/panfish fishermen would have to pay enough money to the DOW to have them notice us. So pay your parks fees! :)

And one more thing: I'm in Iowa right now, and I noticed while I was buying a license that there is a trout fee. They have to pay extra just to fish for 10" wimpy trout. I think we should count our blessings.
 Reply by: stnkbait      Posted: 12/31/2007 10:23:52 PM     Points: 227    
Like some other 'cooler heads' I've refrained from entering this post, avoiding the very real possibility of annoying anyone else with a poorly stated / misstated opinion. Brookie, You have an awesome point about the dangers of 'bait bucket biology' - transferring fish from water body to water body for the sole reason of improving angling opportuniities as we see it. The main reason I jump in now is your statement about CDOW 'making a better profit' off of trout. Anyone who has worked in a hatchery or studied fisheries for that matter knows the private growers very often are hard pressed to make a profit, and making a profit is in fact counter to the mission of a state run hatchery. The goal is actually to 'break even' and more often turns out to be a little in the red - sometimes a lot in the red. Everyone who has posted here has good opinions - mainly I would like to add that CDOW are, for the most part, dedicated professionals who excel at their jobs because they, like so many of us, love fish and fishing, enough so to make a career out of it. For the most part these professionals try to use the best science and level of knowledge, including creel surveys, angler roundtables, biology, ecology, limnology, and all those other 'ologies' to come up with what are called ' best management practices' - managing bodies of water for angling with the most suitable species. Trust me, if this many people on this forum have asked the question 'why can't we have walleye in 11mile' don't be naive enough to think that the same question hasn't been looked at and considered by our state wildlife agency. The best policy, as stated eloquently by someone else here, is to make a bunch of noise to get your opinions looked at, but if there is a valid scientific, biological or ecological reason why 11mile won't support a population of walleye, then accept it and move on. AZXplant, you hit the nail on the head, we are SO F'in lucky to be able to fish for so many different species here with quality opportunities! I know I'm not alone in wishing that I had my own personal lake with all my favorites in it, but we have to consider that in public waters there are MANY competing interests, not just anglers, that limit what opportuniites can be provided for the angling public.

Happy New Year to all! Good Luck Fishing for whatever you prefer, wherever you find them!
 Reply by: Fishful Thinker      Posted: 1/1/2008 10:16:49 AM     Points: 11226    
Well stated Stnkbait. They don't work out the DOW to get rich; they do it because they love the field. And a fishing license is a fishing license - whether you fish for trout or bass or walleyes the license is the same. The only way the DOW can make more money (since they are largely user driven) is by selling more licenses regardless of what those new licensees fish for. As a general rule our state conditions are condusive to trout and rearing trout. Combine that with a large and organized trout angler contigency and it is easy to see why trout are a focus. Of note also is that out-of-state fishers travel here specifically for trout, so those economics must be weighed. Many of the warm water fish stocked in this state must be traded for or bought by the DOW - the flipside of which is that they tend to reproduce in waters they are stocked (wipers excluded of course)while trout, splake and especially kokes are "put and take". A quick glance at the shear numbers of smallies and 'eyes in many of our impoundments, especially when you consider the relative sterility and water level fluctuation of our reservoirs compared to traditional eastern lakes, makes active management look pretty good. The fisheries need selective harvest, slot limits, habitat projects, etc. But again, we as warm water anglers need to organize, put our heads together and actually show up at angler roundtables, SAGs, Commission meetings, etc with well thought out and calmly presented ideas and suggestions. Having been to a couple of these meetings I can tell you that the few that show up commonly are beligerent about their ideas and opinions and often choose to take issue with the DOW in an "us against them" attitude. If we want different management, we need to explain ourselves and understand the limitations of how, when, and why that may be part of a compromise. We can't expect them to do whatever we want, but we need to work with the DOW, not against them. I also believe that there is a ton of misconception with anglers about how the DOW works, the budget they work with, and their goals. Without sportsmen, they're out of a job, and with license sales (both hunting and fishing) on the decline their budget is facing tough questions. Hmmm....

What we really need is to form an organiztaion (like TU, but warmer...), dedicate ourselves to angler recruitment for the good karma, and send a panel of intelligent and passionate folks to each DOW meeting to voice our desires and listen to their limitations. We could volunteer to help with habitat, creel studies, egg harvesting, etc. We could educate other anglers, recruit kids, visit schools and generally be good ambassadeurs of warm water fishing in CO. For fun, we could host multi species derbies to educate, hold fish fries to promote selective harvest, and take DOW members fishing to forge relationships. Man, wouldn't that be great?

It is New Years Day...maybe that'll be my resolution. Fish Big in '08! CL
 Reply by: ColoradoJoe      Posted: 1/1/2008 1:20:55 PM     Points: 317    
TightLine, I apologize for Ronnycast. I don't know him, but can see his passion has dragged him out of bounds slightly. Things like this happen sometimes. I like hearing what you have to say, so don't let 1 person's "unintentional" personal attack keep you away from us. Remember that a few haven't been to where you and I have been, major tournaments, and don't quite understand what it takes and how "majorily" important that fish is to our well being. Hopefully they will get a chance to get there sometime and what you are saying will make "perfect" sense. Hope to hear your thoughts again soon! Sorry I didn't get this up sooner.

P.S.---Is "Majorily" a word? (lol) CJ
 Reply by: RonnyCast      Posted: 1/1/2008 3:35:26 PM     Points: 2304    
Maybe you missed it so Iíll do it again. I do apologies for my statement. I agree it was a little off and misguided. When I thinking about what I was really trying to say, I meant it to say that in my opinion I didnít feel fishing for walleye took any more skill then fishing for Bass. When I wrote stupid fish to target, I was really meaning stupid towards the fish themselves... Like bass arenít intelligent fish and are easy to target. Not that people were stupid for fishing for them. As fare as the not curing cancer thing, Yes I should of worded that better. Meaning that not the act of guiding and tournament fishing wasn't a great job and hard work, but that fishing for walleye wasnít the hardest thing in itís self to do. All fishing takes skill, but as for a job itís not like moving furniture or plugging away in a corporate box, but it was fishing and what a great job to have. We should all be so lucky. Now to the fishing for a living high horse, well there I was just being a jack ass. Sorry for that. I respect all pro anglers and all the hard work they put into a job and passion. Itís just Iím not going to feel sorry for a pro wanting to target walleye and having to put up with a fish I love targeting the small mouth. I want them both in as many lakes as I can get at so as too make it a good time for all. Hope this doesnít piss people off. I really wasnít speaking at all towards the ? of putting smallies into 11 mile at all, but the thought that they shouldnít be in with walleye in general. I like them in there and know many others that love targeting them as well and some that make their living off of doing so. So all I can do is say sorry and hope for forgiveness. Iíll not write so much late in the evening when on holiday and having been out all night, that might help me express my self in a less of a jackass manner
 Reply by: ColoradoJoe      Posted: 1/1/2008 7:50:51 PM     Points: 317    
ronnycast, your the man! Proud to know you! Between you and I, I sure hope we can get more Smallies in 11 mile. I start shaking just thinking about the potential! With all those crawcritters, we would have some huge Smallies provided they were the Great Lakes species. Walleye would sure get big too, with the current and weeds. Man would it be awesome. Where do we start and who do we talk to about doing the studies we need to proceed? CJ
 Reply by: Easter      Posted: 1/2/2008 2:01:11 PM     Points: 165    
CO Joe- That's why I started this post- to see who was passionate about having eyes and smallies in 11mile. I think it was a great topic! Maybe it opened some "Eyes" or not, but it is a great place to view them!!!!

This web-site is awesome and I always pass it on to other anglers. Keep up the great work Matt the web man!!!!
 Reply by: cards      Posted: 1/2/2008 6:23:12 PM     Points: 129    
as far back as i can remember my dad would tell me stories of eleven mile, the wind the waves and the TROUT. the pike were cool but the trout is the biggest thing. then i got big and fished it myself. and i strongly agree. my dad is dead now and i hope the day i pull an eye out of there i will be as well. the mile has been a koke hatchery for a while and that means all the money we spend in park fees and fishing licenses and even those lottery tickets we buy go into those fish. the lice is only a snag. it will go away and be back the way it was. (a world class trout lake). oh yeay it takes a minamum 4 years to make a lake a hatchery. so i serously dont DOW is going to throw that away for some ugly looking warm water cleaner fish. im almost ashamed that they made the mistake of putting small mouth in there. i hope i catch some hopefuly my dogs will eat them.(dought it though)
 Reply by: Plumber      Posted: 1/2/2008 7:20:42 PM     Points: 478    
Cards, Tell us how you really feel! LOL
Remember, variety is the spice of life and some folks get the same thrill from eyes and bass that you do from trout. Don't be too harsh on the transplants.
 Reply by: RonnyCast      Posted: 1/2/2008 9:07:30 PM     Points: 2304    
Cards I actually thought that was pretty funny. Donít agree, but still funny. I would offer up a challenge to you or really an offer of fishing frendlyness, come out on my boat with me come spring and Iíll put you on some solid smallmouth action, and see if I canít change your mind, if even juts a little. Have yet to meet a person that liked to fish that didnít like the feel of a 3 to 5 lbs small mouth ripping some drag. Not really talking about 11 mile, thatís not my point, but on small mouth and walleye fishing from the bow of a boat in general.
 Reply by: cards      Posted: 1/4/2008 3:29:24 PM     Points: 129    
im very sorry if i came off a little rough. i have caught 6 lbs smallies and 5 to 8 lbs walleyes. and yes its a blast. however i think of those fish as a special species that need there own water to live and thrive. without the possible snagging hook ripping through the side of a fish. it's understandable that it will happen to any fish in the way but i would rather it be a fish that is going to die in a few weeks or days on its own and let the others be. i still think it would be silly to waste yours of promising hatchery just be stoped and replaced by a new fish. perhaps it wont work with the hatchery. then yes maybe it will be easyer to persuade me to the walleye idea. just keep giving the kokes a try.

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