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Lake: Johnson Reservoir
Fish: Common Carp

Carp Hell (forgot to mention in my last post)

Post By: esoxrocks      Posted: 9/22/2014 5:47:05 PM     Points: 2486    
All you Carp-heads out there...feel free to head to Johnson Res (Clement Park) and have at it...and take a few (hundred) home with you while you are at it! I have never seen such a "boiling soup" of Carp in my life...the nasty critters are everywhere. I was even poking them with the end my fishing pole in the outlet canal by the dam and they barely moved... like they were looking at me saying "hey, you gotta problem or sum'tin ?"

Carp in the shallows, Carp in the middle of the lake...everywhere you go...more Carp.

 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 9/22/2014 5:56:51 PM     Points: 54817    
You're a bit ambiguous, how do you really feel about carp? Lol
 Reply by: Freestone303      Posted: 9/22/2014 5:57:18 PM     Points: 442    
Guess I better head over there with my 8wt and some crawdad flies.
Wont be taking any home with me, but the fight will be fun.
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 9/22/2014 6:02:52 PM     Points: 2486    
Like anything...moderation is key. A Carp here and there I can take... maybe even bunches in the shallows at certain times of the year...OK...

...but this is crazy.

Freestone...bag the 8 you have a Trawler? lol
 Reply by: ColoradoOutdoorsman      Posted: 9/22/2014 6:32:55 PM     Points: 1931    
Get a a couple bigguns with the fly rod, then some with the spinning rod, maybe a few with the baitcaster and then maybe 3-4 with the bow
 Reply by: Mfishing      Posted: 9/22/2014 7:21:29 PM     Points: 777    
Lol when we were there it was like carp every other bight so annoying
 Reply by: fishmohr      Posted: 9/22/2014 10:24:07 PM     Points: 77    
They stocked tiger muskies in there two years ago. They should start putting a dent into the carp population.
 Reply by: jman      Posted: 9/22/2014 10:57:19 PM     Points: 2247    
And the lake is ruined thank you for the stocking report...
 Reply by: Dangly      Posted: 9/23/2014 9:35:09 AM     Points: 238    
yeah I love the whole tiger muskie control method, try to control a fish that breeds like apalachian cousins with a predator that is sterile, works every time! thanks DOW!
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 9/23/2014 10:57:38 AM     Points: 2486    
Musky eat their prey whole by turning the fish headfirst, then swallowing it. There isn't a Musky alive that would be able to swallow even a medium sized Carp from that lake.

Tiger Shark maybe...Tiger Musky, nope.

Also these likely weren't 30" fish that were stocked...usually 3"-6" add yet another few years until they can possibly become a significant factor in limiting Carp populations by feeding on juvenile Carp...or be worth targeting for sportsmen.

I say, call in the Bottom Feeders team... lol

...."Appalachian cousins"...thats funny

 Reply by: Freestone303      Posted: 9/23/2014 11:23:52 AM     Points: 442    
I can‘t imagine the populations of more desirable game fish could be too high in there. It seems like Retenone or some other piscicide would be a more appropriate approach to controlling the population. Then restock the pond with a diverse selection of fish.
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 9/23/2014 11:29:37 AM     Points: 2486    
Here is a BIG Musky (high 40" to 50" ) trying to eat a 15" Carp and having all kinds of problems...this would be a small-medium sized Carp for Johnson.

The stocked Tigers aren't going to male a dent in the mature Carp population. Maybe when they grow up a little they can impact Carp recruitment...but that's a while into the future.

Freestone - They have stocked several other species into Johnson (caught three small & skinny LMB when I was there) but it is hard to imagine the other species are thriving with the Carp population so pervasive.

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 Reply by: Freestone303      Posted: 9/23/2014 1:44:21 PM     Points: 442    
I know they have stocked some, but I am saying for such a small pond, I cant imagine that there is a population of game fish that is significant enough that would deter fisheries managers from using pescicide and starting over. I‘m not a biologist and wouldn‘t claim to be. Also I am sure that fishery is insignificant compared to other front range waters in terms of a need for management.
From what I understand, there are more predators than the ones mentioned. Personally I haven‘t had any luck fishing for them out there, but I as well have seen lots of carp.
 Reply by: esoxrocks      Posted: 9/23/2014 6:07:36 PM     Points: 2486    
Yea, I kinda agree with you...they can do a bunch of band-aid fixes, but the fact remains, the lake is overrun with one species and a few hybrid Musky aren't going to do much. If suckers were the issue, maybe, but not Carp.

That said, maybe its not worth a big fix. That reservoir has no buffer and gets direct runoff from the roads, landscaping, golf courses, and parking lots in the area which produces algal blooms all the time, which is hard on sport fish.

I really don't know, probably won't ever be a top Walleye/Sauger fishery (they have been stocked in there recently too) but it would be nice to be able to catch a halfway decent Bass and maybe Catfish now and then.
 Reply by: JOHN_COSprings      Posted: 9/23/2014 10:24:43 PM     Points: 640    
>>> That said, maybe its not worth a big fix. That reservoir has no buffer and gets direct runoff from the roads, landscaping, golf courses, and parking lots in the area which produces algal blooms all the time, which is hard on sport fish.

You hit the penny nail right on the head. You need to first address and stabilize the ecosystem before you can ever hope to begin to address an over population of carp.

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