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Lake: Runyon-Fountain Lakes
River: Arkansas River Below Pueblo Reservoir
Fish: Rainbow Trout

beginners 1st time out with new flyrod

Post By: willsanddeals      Posted: 6/12/2012 7:44:35 PM     Points: 31    
I am new to flyfishing and my wife purchased me a fly rod/reel combo pack. I put it all together got everything ready and decided to head to Runyon to get some practice before hitting the ARK. Im glad I did because I wasn't very sucessfull. I have thrown a fly rod many years ago and did ok but for some reason I COULD NOT make it work. I tied on the largest fly I had just so something was at the end of the line, and then I started stripping line and casting. I could not get the line any further out then maybe 10-15ft max. Somehow I even managed to lose my fly while casting. So all in all it was a fail! The thing is I dont know what I am doing wrong so I don't know what to improve on. I am going to be watching youtube videos and other flyfishing sites on beginner techniques on casting.

Here is a pic of the flyrod kit she got me
 Reply by: Frozen Fish      Posted: 6/12/2012 9:11:26 PM     Points: 365    
If you whip the fly too hard it will snap off. Make certain the fly lands completely before beginning your pull back motion. As for the casting distance, make sure you have plenty of slack, and your rod eyes are aligned and\or not bent.

Happy fishing...
 Reply by: fishhack      Posted: 6/12/2012 9:14:29 PM     Points: 130    
slow down come to a complete stop forwards and backwards and your first time out only losing one fly and not hooking you or dog or wife not too bad hang in there. some fly shops offer a learn to cas t class freee or cheap!
 Reply by: The_Flyfisherman      Posted: 6/12/2012 9:24:10 PM     Points: 40    
Okay so as for the fly going off the line that could be the result of two things the first thing is what size tippet are you using because certain flies especially wooly buggers and other large flies the tippet wont hold up then the second thing is you werent casting right if anything casting is the most important and spend a good time looking at videos and looking for tips by the way my tip to give you is for one when your holding your rod make sure your index finger is directly on top to start it wont be the most comfortable but it will keep the position of the rod in a good place because your wrist should move only a little and during the cast at most the rod should go 10 o clock to 2 o clock back and forth with little wrist movement and most of the work will be done with the arms and the ROD. When casting you will feel the line weight as you go back and forth and when it tugs thats when you go to the next movement wether its back or going ahead, i hope this helped you just practice!! and as for learning take a class with colorado skies outfitters which is my favorite fly shop or take a guided trip and which ever one you do make sure you tell them to teach you how to cast its very important!! good luck and tight lines!!!!!
 Reply by: The_Flyfisherman      Posted: 6/12/2012 9:26:24 PM     Points: 40    
oh and i forgot take your time with casts make sure they have tight loops in the air and make it smooth so when you follow through it doesnt slap the water
 Reply by: nightangler      Posted: 6/12/2012 9:48:40 PM     Points: 1656    
Will - Keep your head up brotha!!! You are braver than me, fly fishing seems so complicated. Soon enough you will be posting pictures of all kinds of nice fish!!!
 Reply by: bzomer      Posted: 6/13/2012 5:20:12 AM     Points: 608    
Here's a great resource for you and anyone else that wants to learn this awesome and yet silly sport.
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 Reply by: JKaboom      Posted: 6/13/2012 7:44:22 AM     Points: 4495    
That's great you're learning to fly fish: I'm going to try next year on that one. From everything I hear and see its a process for sure. Hang in there and hats off to you :)
 Reply by: tbblom      Posted: 6/13/2012 7:59:29 AM     Points: 140    
Hang in there! Tough learning curve, but after a couple of years you will be reaping your reward. I am in year #4, finally getting dialed in on trout, and learning bass and carp tactics to stay on the learning curve.

Get some hoppers, wooly buggers, copper johns, PT's, Princes, and some caddis and you should be set to start this summer.
4x-6x for trout, 1x-3x for bass. catching blue gills will help develop hook-set timing if all else fails (great first fly rod fish, and you could catch a bass).
Go someplace with dumb <12" trout to start, makes life a bit more fun.
Clear creek, Boulder creek, Bear the smaller creeks get less pressure.

Some long rod porn to keep your palms sweating. And never mind a lot of the hot air I rarely match a hatch. If you start making and fishing your own flies, you will really be addicted. (Haven't fished store bought flies in about a year). But that is another can o' worms altogether.
 Reply by: Dangly      Posted: 6/13/2012 9:57:24 AM     Points: 238    
going with a big fly the first time will certainly frustrate you, start with small flies- they have less drag and you will be able to get better at "shooting" your line.
 Reply by: LittleFlyBigFish      Posted: 6/13/2012 10:37:02 AM     Points: 2231    
So matching the hatch will catch you fish, not paying attenton to what fish are eating at the time will catch you less fish. Sure there are go-to flies that will catch fish sometimes, but I personally want to improve my odds by selecting flies that imitate what those trout are eating. This morning I had the chance to make it out for an hour, and there were massive hatches of midges and tricos. Looking into the water, there were numerous fish rising to take the adult form of the trico, and also the spent form. Midges were off the menu despite these little bugs being everywhere. The fish did not want the midges as I noticed after a few casts to where the fish were rising. Took off the midges and used a dry-dropper mayfly rig and that was the ticket. Case in point, matching the hatch is a necessity of fly fishing if you want to improve your ability to catch these fish, especially the bigger ones.
 Reply by: skiman      Posted: 6/13/2012 1:21:55 PM     Points: 2033    
Willsanddeals....
Sounds to me like you need to pick up on the basics.
Take your time and experiment a little before tying on a leader or fly. Try casting just the fly line to get a "feel" for how it acts when you do certain things with the rod. Watch how the line "loops" on the forward and back casts. Concentrate on your timing...watch what happens to the line if you stop your cast in mid-arc. Fly fishing is all about how you present a fly, and in my opinion, casting is 80% of it. Relax,and my guess is that once you get the rythm and feel of casting the line, you'll remember it, and it will become second nature to you. Once you get that down, add the leader and see how it effects your cast...and finally, put that fly on and start catching fish. You can always further your knowledge of sinking vs. floating lines, tippets, droppers, and the Latin name for a certain genus of mayfly,"matching the hatch", and all the other "mumbo-jumbo" preached by the "fat-line", "long-rod" purists. My point is, flyfishing is just another way to catch a fish, and it's really not all that complicated once you have the basics down pat. Hope this helps, and above all, just relax and have fun! That's what it's all about...having fun! Good Fishing!
Ski
 Reply by: willsanddeals      Posted: 6/13/2012 3:14:41 PM     Points: 31    
Thanks everyone. I was a little discuraged before but I realize that this is something that is going to take patience, practice and passion. When I drive by the ARK and see someone in the river wading and casting their flyrod I get jealous and want to be out there myself. I will keep up the practice and continue to learn. I love being outdoors in or on the water enjoying the sights, sounds and peaceful mood of fishing. Thanks again for all the helpful and informative info everyone is giving. This community has been great for me and I enjoy this site very much.
 Reply by: steelcityguide      Posted: 6/13/2012 3:41:43 PM     Points: 970    
Youtube vids and google can be a big help. While youíre there be sure to study the roll cast. It may become the most important technique you learn. Iím venturing a guess that you havenít taken the plunge to get waders yet so the roll cast is even more important. Hitting the Valco ponds and practicing on crappie can keep you motivated. And just keep working at it. Following the Sangre de Cristo tournament and a Sunday guide to the ranch weíll be offering a discount two hour class at the nature center. Stay tuned for details or check out the site. [log in for link]
Tight lines,
Ben
 Reply by: willsanddeals      Posted: 6/13/2012 4:13:12 PM     Points: 31    
I was on eBay looking at what prices were on various flyfishing items, and WOW! A used pair of waders in my size sold for $100. I also seen some higher end new waders for around $450 buy it now price. I am going to spend more time watching correct techniques and then practice casting. Once I get better and more comfortable with what I am doing I will get the equiptment I need to get into the water. Again, thanks for the info and great insight from experienced flyfishermen.
 Reply by: Your Flies Open      Posted: 6/13/2012 8:36:11 PM     Points: 0    
I'm not an Orvis guy per se, but check out howtoflyfish.orvis.com and click on the Video Lessons link. These episodes have aired on WFN and are really well done, IMO. I would recommend skipping chapters 2-3 for now as they are more specific to targeting the species covered. There is a lot of information on this website that should help get you started.

YFO
 Reply by: moosegoose      Posted: 6/13/2012 9:17:11 PM     Points: 190    
You need waders!!! That will help more than you can even imagine!

Kmart had them a month ago for $1.00 a pair. My buddy bought a few pairs as he knew they would eventually get leaks. I bought a pair of breathable waders a few days ago for $40. I have also bought a pair of neoprene waders from the thrift store for $5. My wading boots were used once and bought from craigslist for $10. Just have to keep your eyes peeled.

Yes, I am cheap..
 Reply by: steelcityguide      Posted: 6/14/2012 8:28:01 AM     Points: 970    
I decided to offer Frogg Toggs and guide with them for one simple reason. Two pairs of personal waders have endured over 600 trips in a value priced line. Thereís been some repairs but nothing drastic. Investing in a full size run of boots and waders sucked but dry clients are happy ones. Maybe I can get me a new pair soon. The Toggs have something in common with Simms, after 250 days on the water they STINK! Hee hee.
 Reply by: Saint      Posted: 7/26/2012 8:04:11 PM     Points: 0    
Check out YouTube videos about a technique called " double haul" it helps distance and power
 Reply by: fishhack      Posted: 7/26/2012 9:01:24 PM     Points: 130    
dude teaching a beginner the double is like teaching someone to play golf with a one iron.
 Reply by: Budha      Posted: 7/26/2012 9:36:14 PM     Points: 160    
I agree with many points already made. I think with practice you will get the timing and rhythm down. Timing and rhythm will allow you to harvest the weight of the line more consistently and turn it into energy for your cast. As you get better with this, naturally your cast will get longer. If you are looking for tips, my suggestion is to find a lake or pond and work on a single stroke cast (single back cast & single forward cast). That is lift and lay line down. Feed a little bit more line each time until you find your optimal length that matches your natural timing. Work your single stroke cast with this optimal length each time to teach yourself what your rhythm feels like. Then you can always keep additional line off the reel and learn to shoot line out when you lay your single stroke out below your brow. You will quickly get your timing down using this method. You will also quickly know when you are casting with too much line (> your optimal length). It will feel like the cast has no energy. Also I agree with above that it is important to watch your line while casting so you can see if it is doing what it should be. i think you should practice with a very short leader (4-5') and a fly that you can visually capture through the air. This helps your learning. Sorry for lengthy response.
 Reply by: Budha      Posted: 7/26/2012 9:51:24 PM     Points: 160    
Sorry, one more thing. The benefit from single stroke cast is that your fly spends more time on the water. You can't catch fish unless you fly is in the water. I personally think all that shadow casting is over rated. You'll soon be able to find scenarios that you can put your length of cast to use to catch fish. I have many times caught fish from under 10' away. So if you want to catch fish you don't have to focus strictly on improving casting length. Btw - Spinney has moments every day that allows you to catch fish from < 10' away.
 Reply by: adventurer      Posted: 7/27/2012 9:51:19 AM     Points: 290    
I will go out with you and show you what i know. I am not a pro but I have caught fish off a fly pole. so if you want to meet up and fish sometime shoot me a e-mail, denisbreedlove@yahoo.com

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