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Fish: Hybrid Striped Bass(wiper/palmetto)

Clousers the Best???

Post By: tfult      Posted: 7/30/2006 12:25:20 PM     Points: 62    
Hey there! New to the site and have to say we've needed something like this for a while. So wiper on the Fly? I would love to see the backing on my fly reel!!! Any tips or suggestions as far as flies- size/color? Also do you guys search for boils exclusively, or do you "prospect" and cast to underwater structure? I've heard pink is good for wipers...?
Thanks,
Fult...
 Reply by: Matt      Posted: 7/30/2006 10:03:04 PM     Points: 38092    
Hey Fult, we'll try to put together an article, or should I say some babblings on our observations, of fishing for wiper via flies. It's been on the backburner for a while.

There's not a lot of info on this fish out there, especially in regards to Colorado lakes. The DOW has a nice article on their site they put up recently about a trip to Pueblo. I have never tried pink for wiper - but I sure will try!

Perhaps anyone with input on finding and fishing for wipers in Colorado can start posting some thoughts here. Here's a few off the top of my head:

-In the spring, lakes with active inlets will draw fish there for a supposed "false spawn"
-Clousers have been great, I think more for the fact of the depth they are effectively fished and the up-down motion they have that attracts fish. That being said, other streamers will work well too....any bait fish imitation
-Smaller sparser clouser-type flies will catch big fish. Typically I like to fish these smaller sparser flies in clear water and bushier clousers in mudlines and stained water as they tend to push more water and create more noise
-We have noticed wipers hanging out around pods of carp digging around in the mud, possibly picking off crayfish and baitfish drawn to this mess.
-a strip-strip-strip-pause technique has been really effective for us. Really sharp quick strips. Many takes are on the pause.
-Regarding structure....many people think that wiper schools are wanderers. And unfortunately I tend to believe that. But I do believe they stick to a pattern. Find that pattern and you'll definitely improve your odds. It usually will have something to do with structure, so if you find a "spot on the spot" you could do worse than working that area continuously. In the spring look for structure related to shallows or inlets, and in the summer look for deeper structure.
-Typically wiper have been considered low-light feeders. I think this is more true in warm water when they are more comfortable in shallows. Most of the wiper we've caught in the spring and fall have been mid-day, 11am-3pm.

I'll put up more as they come to mind. These are only my observations. I would love to hear more.

Oh, and when the wiper are busting baitfish, any fly will work, but you've got to be quick and somewhat lucky to be in them. Strip fast and hold on!!

Matt
 Reply by: tfult      Posted: 7/31/2006 12:36:41 PM     Points: 62    
Matt,
Thanks for the prompt reply... I have read everything I can findmags the internet, that Pueblo article was pretty good. All the stuff I have found is pretty good just seems a little vague. I know nothing as good as experience, just trying to figure out what motions to go through. I think that you guys are going to be very successful with this sight, especially with this kind of quick reply. If there is anything I can do to help yo please don't hesitate to ask. My background stems from growing up in a "bait and tackle shop", Seven years as a manager and buyer at Garretson's Sport Center in outdoor recreation in Greeley, and now in marketing at the Greeley Tribune. Thanks for all the good info... If it's not too much to ask where would you put your money on wiper action right now? Lonetree or Douglas? I have a boat with a gas and electric motor so I can chase them. Also, how close can you get to a school of busting wiper before you put them down? Sorry about the rookie questions, I fish Trout and walleye so this wiper stuff is new and intriguing!!!

Thanks,
Fult
 Reply by: Matt      Posted: 8/1/2006 10:05:32 PM     Points: 38092    
We could definitely use your help....we're just getting back into the swing of things after this Canadian trip and one of the priorities is organizing help with lake updates (as well as every other facet of the project!)

Lonetree or Douglas - hmmm. I know Douglas is low so it's tough to get a boat in. Not sure about Lonetree - anyone been out recently? Wellington #4 has good wiper too. For sure I'd be trying early morning (I mean before it gets light out) and late at night.

One thing we haven't tried much of is surface baits. I have tried poppers on sinking lines a few times with no success. Also try to take note of baitfish - schools of minnows or fry. If you locate them you may locate wiper.

We have obviously not been around the last few weeks and haven't been out so dont have first hand reports. Anyone else?

Union is always a good bet. Not a lot of structure in any of these lakes, but when you have that bowl shape, even the smallest structure turns into something important. When Union goes glass, we've seen tons of schools of baitfish out in the middle of the lake but have not fished around them.

And you're right, experience does play a huge role in learning any fish. With wiper it plays an even larger role since there is fairly little info on the subject. Which is partly why we put this site together...to share observations/experience to hopefully shorten the learning curve and expedite success.

Good luck and let us know what you find. We'll definitely be doing the same!
 Reply by: tfult      Posted: 8/2/2006 7:25:40 PM     Points: 62    
Thanks Matt! I appreciate it... Let me know how I can help you guys, the new profession has me locked down a bit. I hope to get out this weekend, but we'll see how it goes. Let you know if it happens... Is bigger better for pattern size... 2", 3" clousers? You guys need a picture board for us to post pics and tell fish tales...???? How was the trip?
Todd
 Reply by: Matt      Posted: 8/3/2006 12:25:04 PM     Points: 38092    
Trip was good - story coming to the article section. We'll definitely be adding some photo features to the site soon. Got lots of little things we'll be adding. Very soon we plan to send out an email to everyone.

Regarding streamer size, vary it. We typically will fish two different patterns until one starts catching fish, then we'll switch to that pattern. We've had success on very small small streamers down to 1 inch, and other times the longer feather-shanked patterns to 3-4 inches produced better. Depends probably on water clarity, time of year, forage base, mood of the fish, etc.
 Reply by: monkies_butt      Posted: 8/16/2006 7:55:32 AM     Points: 76    

Hey guys, My friend went out to UNION this past monday and said that the wipers are chasing Clousers early morning and the action is slowing down at around 8am. He said to find the school of shads and let your arms work.. Just thought maybe you guys wanted some wiper action close to home..! He was there alittle before sun up and stayed till about 9am. He caught a total of 5 wipers that morning.

Good luck and let us know how you do.
steve
 Reply by: Matt      Posted: 8/16/2006 9:37:07 AM     Points: 38092    
That's good news. Thanks!
 Reply by: tfult      Posted: 8/16/2006 9:56:30 AM     Points: 62    
MB that is great to hear!!! Might have to get out there early this weekend, if I make it out I'll definatly let you guys know! I did get out to Boyd the other day with a buddy and we caught some white bass and wallaye... I have to admit i killed a worm with him, but it was still a lot of fun. I did have one hit on a clouser, just a little slow on the hook set.
Have a great week!
Todd
 Reply by: Matt      Posted: 8/16/2006 10:25:27 AM     Points: 38092    
Yeah, Boyd should be good for whiteys too with the low water and all - just increases your odds of finding them. Can't get a boat in though...bummer. Lots of low water on the front range and plains.