Post By: moosegoose Posted: 8/1/2012 10:20:35 PM Points: 1850
So I was on the Ark below Pueblo the other day. There was a updated already submitted so I skipped that part.
However, I thought I would just give you guys fair warning. I spotted a big enough snake that even made me jump. It was actually large enough that it prompted me to call DOW. I am still not exactly sure what I saw. But it was about 7'-8' and fast.
That fishery is one of the top 10 fisheries in the united states. please consider submitting a conditions report. i would like to know if the baetis hatch is in full swing or if i should bring my nightcrawler setups. Thanks for the heads up on the snake, sounds like the burmese pythons may be moving west from the everglades. has anyone tried dynamic lures down there, was thinking they might work well too. tight lines
Ranger619, any particular pattern in the dynamic you can recommend? why the the handle ranger619? mine is eerily similar. have you seen the snakes down there too? wondering if i should pack some personal protection this weekend when i go?
ranger 620, as i stated in previous post, i recommend the hd trout pattern. yes, I have encountered numerous snakes on many quests on the ark, I use pepper spray as my choice of protection against snakes, as it will not harm them, only slow them down.
I don't understand why so many are so unwilling to share info and tips on the forum anymore. I meerly asked for guidance as to color pattern...i can read that you use hd's. what happened to fisherman helping fisherman get into fish? isn't this what the site is all about. as for the snake advice i am conserned about slowing down a snake that is 8 ft. long. I may bring machete instead
ranger 620, I suggest you get out, work at it, perform some due dilligence, the reward is much better than being a poacher. machete seems extreme for the snakes on the ark. i use pepper spray as to not harm them, giving myself ample time to escape. the snakes will be fine once the pepper spray wears off. since u seem to want detailed info on the ark, i would hire a guide, or crowd somebody you see doing well. i'm done
Moosegoose - Thanks for the heads up. I am moving to P-lo West tomorrow and Saturday and was planning on fishing the river east of the dam on Sunday if I get everything done.
Ranger619 - I dont think this post was useless without a pic and i know many others will agree. Why does it have to have a picture?? He was merely giving everyone a heads up...
Ranger620 - If you actually read what the OP wrote, he clearly states "there was a update already submitted". Perhaps you should invest in FXR+ so you can past conditions reports. Also, Ranger619 told you to use the trout pattern. There are 3: glimmer trout, natural trout, and brown trout. I personally prefer the glimmer trout or the borwn trout but I know others that swear by the natural trout pattern. I have had succes on every HD trout lure I've bought, regardless of what the pattern is. Different ones work on different days, try them out!!!!!!
619 Simmer down. I agree with you I should hire a guide to figure out this complex and downright beautiful fishery. I ran across a guy who seems to have it dialed in , Steel City guide services. I think it will be a $450 investment well worth it that may pay dividends for me for years to come on this world class fishery. Has anyone used them that can recommend them. He really seemed dialed in over the phone....any help is appreciated.
NightAngler - Great advice on the FXR+, I may look into. Not sure if it's worth the $ but I'll explore it. also thanks for the tips on the hd lures/ i hear the trout love to chew them up. i'll post pics if i do any good with them.
nightangler, A pic would help immensely for appropriate species identification. Is it a snake common to s.e. colorado, or is a pet that was released, or escaped. I apologize for not stating the "glimmer" on the hd trout pattern, my bad. Ranger620, if you are able to fish the ark, please post pics, and do a conditions update. tight lines
Ranger619 - I guess a pic would help you identify the exact species of fish and what not but that doesnt make the OP worthless.
Ranger620 - The FXR+ side is 100% worth it. I was hesitant at first because $40 is gas money to go fishing but after paying the money it was immediately clear how helpful the + side is. Having access to historical conditions reports is wirth its weight in gold!!!!!! I have never used a guide but from the pictures I see SteeCityGuides post on here and the amount of knowledge he has, I bet it woudl be well worth the money if you can afford it.
I just had a thouight, with all this talk about snakes on the ark has anyone tried throwing any of the snake pattern bass lures down there for those trout. I may have to try this, could be a wall hanger brown with my name on it waiting for a snake snack?
No need to apologize, I understand where you are coming from, just didnt think it made the post worthless as we will all be watching out steps carefully. Between cliffs falling at the rez and snakes on the river, fishing P-lo is like going to war lol.
That snake lure is pretty awesome man. I've never seen one like that. I bet you would have some luck working it in any of the random coves at the rez. My fishing partner and I saw 2 different snakes (small little guys, took a second to figure out what was making the "v" wake in the water) in Turkey Creek Cove a few weeks back. Does it stay on the top of the water and 'slither' with all those joints in it?
And Ranger619 - I think that looks a lot like a snake. The treble hook in the middle looks to be in the perfect spot as I would picture a fish seeing it from below and striking it right in the meat of the snake. If it were a salamander, it would have legs on it.
I think a proper snake lure would have to be soft plastic. Snakes flex and glide with minimal disturbance. A jointed wood/hard plastic "snake" might still attract strikes, but probably not because the fish thinks it's a snake. I'm sure someone makes a soft plastic top water snake lure. Probably something in an "S" shape, that flexes and moves with minimal wake.
619 - it is more of a generic snake pattern, rather than a species....I guess it looks like a king cobra kind of however I think it being dark will throw a nice sillohouette the trophy trout in the ark will find hard to resist(at least i hope) I plan on slapping the banks and eddies with it prior to "walking the snake" to draw strikes.
You guys crack me up. Machetes and pepper spray for snakes??? Why not just walk away from them? It's not like they're going to chase you down and attack you. More often than not, if they see you or feel the vibration from your footsteps they will head in the opposite direction. Even a rattlesnake that is coiled up and rattling is in a defensive position and won't bite you unless you get too close or mess with them.
zzz, i've had snakes actually chase me before! scary stuff for sure, that is why i now carry pepper spray, it works wonders! I was chased by a rattler for at least 20 yards down on the river, scared the hell out of me. The sad thing, in my panic, I threw my tackle box and pole at it, and end up losing them. my ugly stick, my favorite rod.
LOL! You guys crack me up. I would suggest a snake stick.
The reason why it was following you is because it was curious as to what you were. It happens to a few people every year out at the Pawnee National Grasslands (PNG). There are at least 3 known winter hibernacula of rattlesnakes at the PNG. Larimer county has lots of them and are even hunted for.
I just recently moved a rattlesnake at the Larimer County Administration office. It's not hard to do and I find that mutilation or decapitation a bit unnecessary and overkill. It's anything but a rattlesnake, then I suggest just leaving it alone. The only other snake that is aggressive is the water snake. They might chase you, but only have a wicked bite. However, as most snakes... will typically leave you alone. Just walk heavy so they know you're coming.
I'll say this... It is good to have a respectful fear. When you get cocky, is when accidents happen. But as scared of the snake, no. I used to have almost a phobia and would've rather killed them, but it was because I didn't know much about them, their habitat, their behavior, and their preferences (yes, snakes have preferences). We used to have a laboratory that was working on the rattlesnake population in the PNG and would take blood, scale clip and sex them. So, who better to learn from? I was more scared of the 6' ranger with a shovel that was nervous than the snake. It was just a small 3' rattler with 11 buttons. It's size and number of buttons indicated it was around 5 to 6 years of age.
Snakes are fascinating creatures. My largest bullsnake to date is 5', but I could've had the 5'6" had I grabbed the right tail. They were competing when I walked up on them. I'd love to catch a full size Northern Water Snake, around 4-5', but I'll be content with my 10 to 12" baby.
the only good snake is a dead snake!!!! I lost my ugly stick and tackle box as a result of a dam snake! fishseal, do you have a pic of a snake stick? as I am having a hard time picturing what they look like.
If you want to legally hunt for them, which it is the season with a small game license, I would suggest snake shot for a .22lr revolver. They make snake shot for various calibers, but we don't have anything a .22lr snake shot can't solve.
I'm sure they have snake shot for that caliber. I would highly suggest finding the snake shot for multiple reasons. 1) A slug of that magnitude has a very good of ricochet. 2) You're shooting a fairly small target at probably 10 to 15 feet. 3) You're going to be discharging a handgun probably while shaking. A slug will probably not meet it's mark, but a "shotgun spray" will.
Well, don't just think snake for bait. What are snakes usually after? Rodents. You are more likely to find a mouse or rodent in the belly of a decent trout than you will a snake. A bass would hit a snake, but again, they'd rather take a frog. My suggestion would be to fish frogs and mice in the area where there are snakes.
My best was a 16" brown trout, that upon cleaning, found it had eaten a mouse.
one time as a child I had a snake chase me in that very same stretch of the ark. very scary and disturbing. I did not know who to tell as I was a very small boy I for sure did not think to tell the DOW that was a good call. I am sure that they will actively investigate this incident search out the offending snake and relocate it. Once again good call and I will feel much safer next time I am on that stretch of the river knowing you called the DOW.
I apologize. I should have been more specific. I could not snap a pic as he was too fast. I also could not find a native snake that looked similar. That is why I called DOW. I will get online and seeif I cannot find something similar.
I guess the point was to just be aware of it.
As for a condition report.. steelcity had it right on his update so I did not post one.
With the suggestion on using an HD take your pick, get it in the water and work it. You wont be catching any fish if you dont get one in the water. That about the brown having a mouse for supper is no surprise, they go nuts when one is on the water. Maybe even more so than when a pike sees a mouse swim by.
Ranger619 Im not a one up kinda guy, thought it wa Ironic too your screen name was similar to mine...Maybe you will be just like me now that i hav you convinced to take your machete with you to the ark given the snake infestation that is being brought to light in this thread.
I think I have decided to fork up the $ to hire steelcity guide for a day, does anyone know if he will let me bring my hard ware set up so I can try my snake lure throughout the trip? I have a baitcast that should sling that snake pretty good
620 I would be cautious if I were you first the mention of "crawlers" and now a bait casting rig on such a pristine area is just looking for a scuffel this section of the river is pretty much restricted to elitist anymore.
Big mack. I fish whatever fish may eat. I love to fly fish when the hatch is on. But i equally enjoy draggina crawler if that is the soup djour and i am not above throwing my 22" snake imitation if thats what the trophys want. I have landed many trophy fish because i am not sfraid to throw what they might eat.
620 I agree, hell son I would even use dog poop if that is what the fish would eat then my hands would smell like two things not just fish. I am saying be cautious as not everyone who frequents this stretch of river has the same theology.
using dog poo, you, my friend, are one sick puppy. no pun intended. ranger 620 i feel your'e onto something with painting that bait. you, my friend, could be onto something as big as the umbrella rig. good on ya man. eorf, i'm not familiar with a red racer, as i have not seen on in the wild, only on t.v. and the internet. could you please post a pic? tight lines
Reply by: Ranger620 Posted: 8/3/2012 8:21:56 AM Points: 0
With the potential for several anglers carrying machetes with them now to the ark it got me thinking some more on lure selection. I have acquired a new topwater snake head lure, that I think will be a good imitation of what may become a sleeper food source for the trophy browns. if a lot of snakes end up getting macheted and thrown in the river the trout may get used to eating snake heads? Was very excited to find this lure and can't wait to try. I will be hitting it up tomorrow if anyone wants to meet up. Here is a pic of the lure
Reply by: slicedog Posted: 8/3/2012 10:50:28 AM Points: 21
As a breeder and keeper of snakes, and I also work at a facilty with snakes, I can asure you they are not chasing you. Rattle snakes chasing you down river the river? Most likely misidentification, I am guessing bull snake, as i have seen them plenty of times crossing the river, and are often misidentified as rattlesnakes. Snakes on the water and land are usually just trying to get from point a to point b, if you are in the way, they go through you, over you, around you, etc, which can be misconstrued as "chasing". People claim to get chased by cottonmouths all the time, yet they don't realize they are standing between the snake and water and the snake is just trying to get to safety. Now I can say that coachwhips will stand their ground when needed, they have even come after me in photo ops. I had one go through my legs and into the underside of the truck I was driving when i stopped to get a pic. It didn't bite me on the way by or attack me, it was just trying to get to cover, which in this case is the truck. If you leave them alone, they will leave you alone. Btting is the last defense, and they only do that when threatened.
Reply by: pbs Posted: 8/3/2012 11:55:44 AM Points: 3334
Hmm....Ranger, you (guys) got me chuckling.---for a troll, or trolls..lmao!
Either way...Fish Seal knows what he's talking about.....if you(or you guys) Thing 1, and Thing 2....possibly bff's?
one other thing......I will admit not knowing about .357 cartridges being available in "snake rounds", seems a bit of overkill, but, nonetheless..... CCI does make a 38 cal. in a snake round which fires just fine through a .357 revolver...even a Magnum which I have fired some through for fun. I'm sure other manufacturers produce their own line of "snake rounds" also.
Although.....if you're more comfortable carrying a 10 ga for them snakes.... then that should work good too, oh, and....might as well go with an open choke too..haha!
I dont understand the "troll" thing? I will look into a .38 special snake round. .357 is much easier to lug around vs a 10 gauge. I must have been right in the snakes desired path of travel, because it seemed to be after me for at least 20 yds. maybe I was just in a panic. terrible fear of snakes.
Pbs. I def am not a troll just fairly new to site. I am dead serious about fishin the ark w snake patterns but admit im alittle apprehensive about the apparent snake infestation there. Oh and i admit i get conused reading this which ranger is which lol. Wish the others screen name wasnt so similar. Thanks for the input and tight lines. I will post pics from my trip tomorrow. Hopin for a lunker
Ranger dudes....I hope I didn't offend you too much...I apologize if I did. If you've ever read any of my past posts/replies...then you would know that I am one who has the guts to publically apologize and take the criticism and humiliation that goes with it.
That being said, well....you have to admit that two members' with handles that are nearly the same, and also with a low number of points each, and fueling the same thread at the same time.........well....just saying.
A troll, or "trolling" is generally a low-point, or no-point member that starts a post or thread with the attempt at causing an argument, or getting other members involved in a heated debate over a particular subject.
Most regular forum members are well aware as to what to look for when a troll appears. These "trolls" are non-productive to the thread, or the forum site. Many of these trolls are "outed" early on and their replies are usually deleted before they can ruffle too many feathers.
If one, or both of you guys are not trolling.....then I humbly apologize. If one or both of you guys are trolling....well, then, none of this really matters now...does it?
pbs, i am somewhat offended. based on your definition of a troll, I clearly do not fall into. low/no points , how does one get "points", i'm confused. I do not post a lot however, as a regular fisherman on the ark, i'm concerned. this just really hit home, as I fish this trophy stretch as much as I can, sometimes with my dog and children. just want to avoid disaster.
Ranger619...I apologize to you. Now I realize that you are not trolling this forum.
For a long time....a member/person that had low/no points....was not very "trustworthy" as far as accurate info was concerned. Sometimes these people were considered "trolls", and many members could not trust the info that these trolls were giving. Some of these trolls were purposely giving out info that was totally false....and many times these trolls were coming on to the forum to purposely cause chaos and disruption just for fun.
Nowadays...it takes a lot of positive posts, and lake updates to get any points at all. Lake updates are the best way to get points with the forum. It gives the other forum members accurate, up-to-date info on the ever changing conditions of their favorite lake/reservoir.
In regards to "points"....for quite a while, points were given each time a post or reply was made....for everyone. If a member submitted a "lake report", or "conditions report"....more points were awarded to that member. These points are accumalative and go towards purchases like at the forum store for merchandise. Also, these points go towards a yearly drawing for products, merchandise, and guided trips with local pros. You can even use some of your points towards the purchase of a FxR + subscription.
Now....points are not given to everyone that merely posts or replies to a topic. This is the case in many situations now. To "get" points now.....one needs to submit a conditions report, or....have enough "fins up" from fellow members regarding positive info or feedback to a thread.
For more information about the points system....you can E-mail Dave Coulson.
pbs you think the number of points is what makes a comment valid on this web site?? How about just a little common sense. Hell there was one guy on here who wanted to play with a snake a potentially lethal snake with a stick and you are going to give that guy credence over a person who wants to take no chances in securing their own safety by giving it the business end of a 357 common man points.
I think it is a little wrong to attack pbs on this. While i agree points may not equal knowledge i must admit i really wish i had more points than zero. As for the snake stick now that i know what it is ( thanks fish seal!) i picked one up at murdochs for my trip tomorrow. Hopefully the machete and 620s 357 stay in their sheaths. Tight lines
620 thanks for putting me in my place. Sorry pbs that was probably a little short as you can tell by my points I am a relative new comer here as well. 620 i would be very cautious using the snake stick not having the extensive experience and training as fish seal this could lead to disaster. Be safe out there!! and good fishing!
FYI, Here's something for you to consider. Rattlesnakes can only strike 1/3 to 1/2 of their body length. So, with that in mind, a 6' rattler can only strike 2 to 3' of it's length. However, these are legend snakes and most venomous snakes will only be 3 to 4 feet in length. Usually, it is wise to overestimate it's length. My suggestion would be to use the snakestick to gauge your distance... so, stay about an extra stick's length away (most good sticks are 36 to 40"). Only move the snake if absolutely neccessary... like if you find one in the brown house, can, latrine. They can also be used to keep a curious snake at bay. A rattlesnake can only strike if coiled and poised. If it is travelling, slithering, it cannot strike. These would be best to leave alone and either let them pass, or find an alternative route behind the snake.
Again, to help disperse the snakes before you even get there... walk hard on your feet. Don't be afraid to make noise.
Thanks again seal! I will use utmost caution and deadly force only if absolutely necessary. More importantly i hope to land a trophy trout or two! Time to get some sleep. Want to hit the river early beofre the snakes get too active. Tight lines to all and thanks again fs for the expert advice. Much appreciated and respected.
Reply by: pbs Posted: 8/4/2012 4:06:02 AM Points: 3334
Bigmack.......no need to apologize, my mistake on that one. I didn't word my thoughts very well. I meant to say that a member with little, or no points at all does not mean that what they have to say, or info to give is invalid or worthless......far from that. In other words....there are many members with little or no points that offer a good amount of info and knowledge to the forum. Also, it's just that it takes many "fins up" from other anglers to get a few points. However....a "conditions report" will get you more points at one time, and those reports are more favored and usefull to the members.
Sorry I wasn't that clear to begin with....I meant nothing personal towards any member that has little or no points.....in fact, those members' info and tips are very valuable to me and others.
619 and 620....good luck with the catching, and be safe out there!
Thnx for keeping me in check guys....."fins up" to you all!
Wondering how the snake lure worked? I saw a pic in cmarbles skipper profile of a largie with a giant snake swimbait hanging out of its mouth. He uses rediculous size swim baits but it is definately a snake lure.
This is a great thread. I'd sure like to know what kind of a snake grows to 7 or 8' here in Colorado. I think its stretching it to talk about 6'. So, I'd like to hear more about this monster snake.
Meanwhile, for you guys who talk about making a snake lure or such, I have just the article for you. Believe me, you'd never catch me doing what this guy did, but he did catch a nice fish! [log in for link]
Bull snakes can top 8', though it's not that common. The only other snakes that can come close to that length in Colorado are coachwhips, which aren't encountered that frequently...they're extremely fast and tend to do a good job of staying away from people. Bull snakes are always mottled in color, whereas coachwhips are always uniform in color, though the color can vary from green to red. Also, coachwhips are quite thin, whereas an 8' bull snake would have considerable girth. Hopefully this helps the OP to determine which species it was.
For those interested in reptiles in Colorado, refer to Hammerson (Amphipians and Reptiles in Colorado).
On a separate note, I don't think a weapon is needed to deal with snakes. their strike distance is easy to get away from and they don't chase down people. Some times they will come towards you out of interest not out of malice. Sometimes they will come towards you if they feel it is the safest route to get away (danger you don't know of the other way or their den your direction). If you observe snakes, the only time they move fast is when escaping danger. They hunt slowly and travel slowly. If you are walking through deep grass, make noise and vibration while walking and carry a stick to gently push them away if you happen to get too close accidentally and need to create some distance to allow for you to retreat safely (instead of running through branches, etc.)
Reply by: Ranger620 Posted: 8/5/2012 10:51:46 AM Points: 0
I made it up yesterday as planned. Survived a couple snake sitings including one that did look to be 6 plus ft long!! More importantly i was able to confirm a trophy trout was looking for my snake lure! Pics to come once i can clear my digi camera -
so as promised here is the pic of the big girl that fell for my 18" snake pattern. I was walkin the snake between the bank and an undercut rock and wham! this big girl engulfed it! 27 34" rainbow or cutthroat no sure? maybe you guys familiar with the lower ark can help on this? either way just shows the risk was worth the reward! don't let the snake worries keep you from trophies, in fact think of them as a potential food source for these huge trout! tight lines to all
Thanks guys! It was actually on the jointed pattern - it swam really nice even though I was surprised it only got that one hit. It does make a lot of splash when it hits the water, some of the fly guys didn't seem too impressed with me chucking it around down there (probably for that reason). The walk the snake technique did make a nice action. I will continue to try it even though I only caught the 1 fish.
Ranger619 - I'm pretty sure it's not a brown trout. I would guess cutbow -
Reply by: Ranger620 Posted: 8/7/2012 7:38:26 AM Points: 0
Thanks man but I don't consider myself highly skilled , just willing to try new lures/techniques and sometimes they have surprising results. I was more casting and retrieving rather than trolling, but I imagine on the rez you could troll such a snake pattern a long distance from the boat and maybe get good results?
Reply by: Ranger620 Posted: 8/7/2012 8:14:16 AM Points: 0
IFF - Are you near P-lo? If you want I may head out again this weekend would love to meet up and hit the river together if you want. You must really love the snakes if your tongue is forked lol! Let me know if you want to throw some snake lures sometime. Tight lines
Reply by: ranger619 Posted: 8/7/2012 8:53:23 AM Points: 25
It is just a shame when someone does not have thousands of points, you are pegged as a troll. That is weak. Evidently i am spending more time fishing and less time blogging. but I don't need the blog forums to stroke me and give me an attaboy..
Reply by: pbs Posted: 8/7/2012 9:28:17 AM Points: 3334
Ranger619....I feel ya. naw, you don't need the points....believe me. I have met and fished with several forum members who either have the points, or don't have the points. Doesn't matter....the anglers that i have fished with.....don't concern themselves with the points....they're just great anglers and love fishing. I could drop several names in regards to great local anglers but, they might not like the notoriety...haha!
Bottom line......don't concern yourself with anglers like me.....I'm just a guy who likes to fish. I think you're the same as me. Just get out and fish!
Oh yeah....if you happen to fish one of the local lakes/reservoirs, maybe consider submitting a lake conditions/report for that day? It helps other anglers in regards to changing conditions, water temps, water clarity, and patterns used that day. (plus..you get more points!)
Reply by: rebelsportsmanl Posted: 8/7/2012 10:00:20 AM Points: 510
it is real easy to distinguish the city slickers from the country boys here on the snake issue. you city guys need to get out and learn about the snakes. for the guy who had a snake chase him, in texas we have a snake called a coach whip that is known for chasing. if you just stay calm around snakes they usually will crawl away. now if you step on them or harrass them they will definately bite. i have talked to 2 guys that fish the arkansas below salida and they have seen rattlesnakes along the river this year. just be carefull and don't act a fool and you will be ok.
Reply by: IceFishingFool Posted: 8/7/2012 10:33:18 AM Points: 4385
620....(You must really love the snakes if your tongue is forked lol!) ??...Did you miss the (so you can see its NOT forked) ?? *-)....Ive yet to get down to Pueblo this year, Im on the South End of Denver. ie I-25 & Arapahoe Rd. Trout fishing runs in the family. Uncle Jess Brown with his Colorado State Record German Brown (1961)