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Boating etiquette
Post By: Walleyeone      Posted: 7/16/2012 4:40:57 PM     Points: 1786    
I asked the warden at cc the other day and he told me the 150 ' also applies to boats that are fishing. I read the rules also and was under the assumption that it only applied to boats at anchor but the warden said even if we are trolling that the boats are supposed to stay 150' away.
I realize that on a body of water the size of cc that sometimes there are just to many boats.for this distance but we had them come within 20' or less several times yesterday. I wish that they would make everyone take a safeboating class if they plan on boating.
I know that some just don't know the rules and others don't care.
Let's make it mandatory to take a class and then increase the fine for offenders. You can't hunt without a hunters safety card and you can't drive without a license but if your 16 or older you can drive a watercraft.(14 with a class)
Okay it 's out of my system now.
Thanks for listening or not
 Reply by: Walleyeone      Posted: 7/16/2012 4:47:41 PM     Points: 1786    
I read the other post on Bear Creek and it got me going but
I didn't want to highjack so I put it here.
 Reply by: fom      Posted: 7/16/2012 5:21:26 PM     Points: 888    
I may start bringing my musky gear and some 2 oz. jerk baits, bet you bang one of those on the side of their boat they will steer clear next time. LOL
 Reply by: Walleyeone      Posted: 7/16/2012 5:36:21 PM     Points: 1786    
That or maybe a 2 ounce weight with no hooks and cast it in front of them and watch them freak out.
 Reply by: Jakers83      Posted: 7/16/2012 7:54:13 PM     Points: 58    
Well I do have bad news. The 150 foot rule only applies to to shore fishermen. But any boat under power has to stay 100 feet from boats that are not under power or go slow enough to not bother the the boat not under power
 Reply by: Walleyeone      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:01:03 PM     Points: 1786    
Are you a warden? I still haven't found anything in writing. I hoped to verify what the warden at the creek told me so if you have something in writing then please share it with me.
I wish they would make the regulations easier to understand.
 Reply by: littlemac      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:14:20 PM     Points: 780    
was trying to find the post on bear creek you referred too since i boat that lake a lot.but to tell you the truth i think on most of colorado lakes if you were to be required to stay 150ft apart you could only get a few boats on them.use a little patients when your out 20ft is close but if you ever fish the perch bite at barr or the joke bite at blue mesa you'll see what close is.theres been plenty of times at bear creek that I've passed within twenty ft of another boat. if your both aware of where your going its really not a problem.
 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:16:31 PM     Points: 156    
Its sad that there even has to be a rule for it, not enough people were taught the "do un to others as you wish them to do un to you" when they were kids.

A little common sense tells you that if you are just out speeding around for fun, nothing wrong with that we all like playing with the boat every now and then. To do it where you are not going to ruin someone else's day.

Even worse is when you see someone out on the lake on a very small boat, people don't slow down and get a good distance from them. I have owned a small boat, and its a white knuckle experience when someone rips by you leaving a huge wake.. Give these guys some room and back off on the throttle a bit.

As for fishing too close to others, give em some space, just because they are catching fish there does not mean you will. I'm a social guy, I don't mind people close to me as long as I have enough room to cast. We all have equal right to the lakes, sharing is a simple concept!

Cheers!
 Reply by: fom      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:35:50 PM     Points: 888    
Maybe I'm wrong but I have been spooled by clowns on Creek and had them laugh about it, but I will tell you this , if I feel they are to close I will tell them about it , just Sun. morn, here we were 8 boats in a cluster all fishing , barely moving around and here comes a 23 ft. cuddie on plane right between us all totally unaware of what she was doing , well we gave her an ear full and next time it happens I or we will give them a shout again. Some of these people are so unaware it's funny, while we fished this area we watched 4 boats run aground on the island, the comedy relief was almost as good as the fishing, sad thing is someone will get hurt if people don't learn to pay attention. my two cents.

FOM
 Reply by: cookster      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:46:37 PM     Points: 2623    
FOM, unaware is a under statement.

OP, you must have talked to a park ranger, you could ask 5 park rangers the same question and get 5 diffent answers. Wardens know the laws and would write their mother a ticket.
 Reply by: pbs      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:55:03 PM     Points: 3334    
Actually....Walleyeone, the Ranger is correct according to "Boat Colorado Safety Rules". However...(haha) the Rangers themselves seldom look
for, or enforce these rules at Cherry Creek State Park Reservoir. People...
please don't indulge into a debate with me on this issue....even if you are a SPR....I know better and have witnessed first hand....and you WILL NOT
convince me otherwise.....just saying.

Anybody in their right mind will concur with me on this issue regarding CC.

I am NOT saying that this disregard for State Boating Regs happens at every State Park Reservoir.....only what I have witnessed for the past 4 years at CHERRY CREEK STATE PARK RESERVOIR.

Please, believe me.....I am not making this up.......I have witnesses.

I have had 'posts' deleted in the past for releasing this information from
the mods.

Some of you may not care.....some of you might....doesn't matter to me
anymore....I've said my peace.....it is what it is.
 Reply by: pbs      Posted: 7/16/2012 8:58:43 PM     Points: 3334    
@ Cookster...you got that right....it depends on who you talk to...lol
 Reply by: pbs      Posted: 7/16/2012 9:10:41 PM     Points: 3334    
Jakers83..technically, you are incorrect. The 150ft rule ALSO applies to
boaters to boaters. BUT, in reality...many of us "fellow" boaters know one-
another, and we don't always adhere to the "BOAT COLORADO" rules
and regs when it comes to comraderie and being too close to another boater when fishing. Sometimes, we'll 'hop' from one fishing boat to another on the water.

At that point (at CC..."you can do anything at CC"...haha....a running joke)
we are not pulling skiers, or driving jet skies between fishing boats when we indulge in such a close proximity to each other.

Believe it or not....there IS a difference!!
 Reply by: pbs      Posted: 7/16/2012 9:23:37 PM     Points: 3334    
AJAX... you are so right! If Not for the wrong-doers in this aspect and others....there would be no need for rules and regs. That's the reason we have these 'Rules and Regs'!
 Reply by: takeakidfishing      Posted: 7/17/2012 1:30:12 AM     Points: 6350    
Hmmm.

After beng ran over at Chatty Friday night by a ski boat in a no wake zone.I agree 100 percent on boat safety classes and the 150 rule.

Erik
 Reply by: Bassackwards      Posted: 7/17/2012 1:43:24 AM     Points: 2327    
One more thing to consider. You are responsible for your own wake. If your wake causes damage or injury, you can be held accountable.
 Reply by: IceFishingFool      Posted: 7/17/2012 7:28:09 AM     Points: 4775    
Erik, did they even know what they did to you ? They gonna coff up anything to make it right ?
 Reply by: GotOneOn      Posted: 7/17/2012 8:33:46 AM     Points: 105    
Wow Erik you got ran over? I promise you if that happen to me that boat would be on the bottom on the lake. Hope you are ok and thats so messed up, did you report it?

Thigh Lines
 Reply by: jsr      Posted: 7/17/2012 9:14:07 AM     Points: 0    
The purest form of oxymoron, "boating etiquette"!!!
 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: 7/17/2012 9:17:32 AM     Points: 156    
Do you literally mean "Ran Over" like the boat hit you? Or is that a term referring to a boat getting too close and the wake tipping you or sending you for a ride?

Earlier in the season at Boyd we were casting the bank running the trolling motor and a group of morons were wake boarding in the no wake zone on the east side. Before we could yell at them, as their friend had fell and they were trying to get him back up still in the no wake zone, one of the home owners ran down and screamed at them something fierce. The only rewarding part was watching them drag the guy in tow face first out of the no wake zone.

Some people just truly do not know the rules, and that is one of the biggest problems. I see the ranger out zipping around on the boat all the time, but have never witnessed them doing anything about idiots or rule breakers. Seems like they are usually out joy riding from my point of view.

Hell, you need a permit to drive a fork lift, a class and a special license for a motorcycle, why not a boat?
 Reply by: lwt5150      Posted: 7/17/2012 10:58:00 AM     Points: 12    
Walleyeone - Thanks for the post. I put up the BCL post yesterday and was surprised by how many of us are continually frustrated by these idiots. As you point out, you didn't want to hijack my post so you started your own - just the kind of thing we are talking about here. You didn't come up and start casting right next to me, but picked your own spot.

Littlemac - The 150ft is a rule to keep people safe and allow enjoyable fishing for all, but most of us understand that there are instances where we will move closer to other craft as a result of navigational or water surface space requirements. Fishing within the 150ft or casting distance of another boat is poor fishing etiquette, regardless of how crowded the lake is or how many people do it without thinking about it.

Interesting...you say "theres been plenty of times" you've passed within 20 ft of another boat on BCL...were you both trolling? Was the other boat anchored? I can honestly say that in the hundreds of hours that I've navigated that lake, I have never found it necessary to come within 20 ft of another boat.

However, I've had to avoid close calls with other vessels that are apparently piloted by people that think it's "really not a problem". Who are these people to decide what is safe for me, my vessel, and my passengers?

Clearly, I just don't understand the thought process that justifies compromising laws and safety.
 Reply by: l.c.j.bait      Posted: 7/17/2012 1:50:05 PM     Points: 154    
I have 13 inch muskie lures and 8 oz lead sinkers I will donate if i get to watch I also have heavy rods to use for big lures and big lead weights.
 Reply by: Jakers83      Posted: 7/17/2012 9:22:20 PM     Points: 58    
PBS I would love to know where you have read that. Not saying you are wrong but I know most of the boating rules like the back of my hand due to my job. No where does it state or even have a statute to right a ticket for other boats having to stay 150 feet away from people fishing in a boat.
Prohibited operation 218.#2 Person operating vessels which pass within 150 of any swimming area, moored vessel, person on shore engaged in fishing, or person in a vessel engaged in servicing buoyos or markings shall reduce speed of the vessel in order to prevent the wash or wake of the vessel from causing damage or inconvenience.
#5 no person shall operate or anchor a vessel within 150 feet of any person on shore engaged in fishing, except where narrow passage or coves make such operation restrictions impractical.
 Reply by: Jakers83      Posted: 7/17/2012 9:33:46 PM     Points: 58    
As far as boat to boat goes I was wrong. There is no set distance one boat needs to stay away from another boat under power. Under power means trolling to. The other boat needs to stay a safe distance away and or adjust speed to pass in a safe way. For fishing boats read regulation #219 navigation and rules of the road. Go to number 6 on pg. 17. Hope this helps and I wish they were easy to read by all. I am happy to help clear any rules or laws about boating and ans stuff
 Reply by: fishing1000      Posted: 7/17/2012 9:59:29 PM     Points: 176    
I was so pissed off at the following incident I wrote up a lawsuit but never filed. Not an attorney but sometimes play one:


COMES NOW, the plaintiff, John Doe and for his COMPLAINT against the Defendant, state, allege and aver the following:

1. Plaintiff is and has been a duly licensed fisherman in the State of Colorado since 2009 and at all times material to this complaint has maintained his address at xxx, Boulder CO 80303.

2. At all times material to this Complaint, Defendant was a resident of the State of Colorado, with an address at xxx.

3. On July 17th 2011, John Doe was fishing on the North side of Big Creek Lakes with 2 fishing poles, a BIG red cooler, a chair and tackle box.

4. At around 11:30am Defendant driving a motor boat with registration number CL 1580 FR carelessly sped full speed into the shoreline where Plaintiff was fishing and docked sideways in front of plaintiff and his fishing poles.

5. Immediately upon docking 2 large dogs and 2 other individuals stormed the beach by jumping out of the boat and swarming the Plaintiff.

6. Plaintiff notified the Defendant that his boat just ran over the area where he was fishing and that lines were out and that he could not park his boat there.

7. Defendant told Plaintiff that the Plaintiff did not own the lake and that he was going to dock and offload his equipment whereas Defendant started throwing 25 -30 bags of gear if front of the plaintiff.

8. Plaintiff continued in no uncertain terms to tell Defendant he was not welcome at the spot and to use 1 of 2 boat ramps provided for the lake. Defendant refused citing that they have been camping for 5 days and that there was 6 of them and they had a lot of gear and that he was going to come back 2 more times to unload, which he did.

9. Plaintiff pointed out to defendant that they could back the boat trailer into the water at the boat ramp and pull forward to offload there. Defendant refused to do this.

10. Plaintiff told Defendant that he was going to report his boat registration number to the authorities. Defendant told Plaintiff that the authorities could not do anything about it.

11. The Defendant is in clear violation of 2011 Colorado Boating Regulation #218 paragraph 5.

#218 - PROHIBITED OPERATION

5 – No person shall operate or anchor a vessel within one hundred fifty feet of any person on shore engaged in fishing, except where narrow passages or coves make such operation restrictions impractical.

12. The Defendant is in clear violation of CRS 33-6-115.5 (b) and (c) by intentional interfering with lawful fishing activities by harassing Plaintiff and preventing a barrier with his boat and did this on 3 separate occasions between the hours of 11:30am and 1:30pm on July 17th, 2011.

CRS 33-6-115.5 (3) Any person who violates this section commits a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished by a fine of not less than five hundred dollars nor more than one thousand dollars and an assessment of twenty license suspension points.

13. CRS 33-6-115.5 (4) states that any person convicted of a violation of this section shall be liable for all damages incurred by the individual whose lawful activity was obstructed and for all court costs of prosecution.

Claim For Relief
(Intentional interference of lawful fishing activities)

14. The Defendant by words and physical conduct prevented the Plaintiff from lawfully fishing.

15. The words and action by the Defendant were willful and wanton and motivated by sheer laziness.

16. Defendants malicious and unwarranted actions caused the Plaintiff emotional stress, fear, anxiety, humiliation, indignity, economic and other damages in an amount to be ascertained at trial.

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully requests the Court to enter judgment in his favor and against defendant for the following relief:

a. Non-economic loses
b. Economic loses

c. Fees and costs as allowed by law

d. Pre and post judgment interest on all amounts as allowed by law and

e. such other and further relief as the Court deems just and appropriate in the premises.

JURY DEMAND

PLAINTIFF DEMANDS TRIAL BY JURY ON ALL ISSUES HEREIN SO TRIABLE

DATED this _____ day of ________ July 2011.

Respectfully Submitted,


BY______________________

 Reply by: Ajax5240      Posted: 7/17/2012 11:51:35 PM     Points: 156    
We need channelcat to work his magic on that last post and include some hot dog chumming humor into it.
 Reply by: jsr      Posted: 7/18/2012 8:39:19 AM     Points: 0    
fishing1000, you got a lot of time on your hands.
 Reply by: BCAT      Posted: 7/18/2012 8:43:08 AM     Points: 45    
Got my boat registration in the mail yesterday and the below letter was in there. Looks like Nebraska has had enough of the BS and did something about it....

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