Post By: captndoug Posted: 3/23/2010 1:24:02 PMPoints: 18
We went out on the maiden voyage of the new boat. Had trouble with the main motor so we trolled around with the kicker pullin rattle traps and rapalas. I got hit on my Xrap by a sea monster. It took 20 min to get him in ,not with out a lot of boat manuevering because I had 6lb floro leader and no net! There was another smaller one chasing but we couldn't get him to bite. It measured 37" with a girth of 28" around ,and weighed with a hand scale 29-30lbs. Biggest fresh water fish I've ever caught ,or seen
I was thinking of releasing him the whole time ,but by the time we finally got him close to the boat with the light line ,he was doing the death roll. Tried reviving him but he kept turning belly with not much movement, thats when we pulled him for picts.
I wouldn't even bother explaining why you kept him, nobody's business but yours and thanks for posting that hog. But seriously that is a state record, did you have him weighed at the ramp or was it just on your hand scale? The state record is just over 26 lbs and pulled out of Pueblo.
Take the fish to King Soopers or something and have it weighed on a cerified scale dude! Did you freeze it whole? You can still get it weighed and verified. You have your witness that was in the boat with you that can sign for you too! Incredible fish!
Ok, I am not sure if you could take it to the DOW office or what and have it weighed I have never caught anything big enough that I had to worry about it. Anyway good job on that thing, 6 lb line must have been a real exercise in patience especially on a wiper that big.
That's a great fish. A true beauty. Now as for it tasting like snook....come on. I'm a florida guy and the only fish here that even comes close to snook is Walleye. I've eaten wiper and i feel they are less than disireable for my taste.
I do not want to take away from the catch of a lifetime for most. Congrats!!!!!
Basackwards, I know what your sayin ,walleye or maybe speck could be the best tasting freshwater i have eaten. the meat on this guy looked alot like from a big slob snook (back in the day when you could keep em). The taste I think varies alot in freshwater fish with the water quality ,time of year and what there eating. It didn't taste that bad.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Biggest wiper I have EVER seen! I'm thinking record! Congrats to you, and that's one helluva a maiden voyage. I'd wish you luck in the future, but you don't need any more luck - lol!
Wow! The state-record wiper was landed on a fly rod at Pueblo Reservoir in 2004. The wiper measured 37 Ĺ inches long and weighed 26 pounds 15 ounces. The world record wiper I believe is 27 pounds, 5 ounces, caught in Arkansas in 1997. I would have been nice to see an accurate weight on that fish for sure. None the less, great catch!!!
Awesome catch! Record or not, that's a catch of a lifetime. I'd submit it to the CDOW master angler series and also have a fiberglass mount made...since you've got good pics, and measurements, someone ought to be able to make a sweet mount for you!
Congrats! My favorite fish My favorite lake. Motivation for all of us to wake up in the morning and give it a go. That fish will undoubtedly be the fish of the year in Colorado and if that fish was shy of the World Record it was just shy. What A Beast! LT
It was meant to show my excitement. I guess I'll just write instead: Holy freakin crap that is the biggest most awesome wiper I've ever seen. WOW! Who cares if its a state record, You got the pic and that's the most important thing. I might have mounted it tho.
Oh. Cool. Whatever then. Yeah, obviously someone doesn't have a very good sense of size and weight. I guess the winterkill fish could have been bloated or something, but this fish is an absolute monster.
Reply by: ranger619 Posted: 3/24/2010 8:51:33 AM Points: 25
wow, nice fish. But why the change in wardrobe while taking pics? poss world record, wow, awesome, the mussel inspectors didn't encourage you to get an official weight? don't want to stir the pot, but something seems fishy.
Reply by: Fish44 Posted: 3/24/2010 9:46:41 AM Points: 394
Wow awesome, awesome, awesome, but yeah how do you change pants in the middle of a photo shoot with that monster, and since it could not be released wheres the picture with "your scale" to show the weight? Show us more pictures.
Reply by: hippster Posted: 3/24/2010 9:54:33 AM Points: 5
while this all sounds good lets look at the time of year same time just about the same time the supposed state record was caught .if i were a betting man I'd say looks like another floater found struggling at the end of its life sounds too fishy to be true. if you catch a fish of that magnitude most serious fisherman are off to the nearest certified scale .most people would have called the DOW on their way off the lake and the DOW would have met you at the boat ramp. they get just as jazzed about a new state record as any one .but a possible new world record they would have beat you to the ramp . if this is a true story than to bad for you that would have been a record to stand the test of time 6lb leader we serious wiper freaks go with 50lb braid I don't mean to be a sceptical but but it sounds to fishy to me
Reply by: looneytooner Posted: 3/24/2010 10:12:49 AM Points: 49
Getting silly again. Fish looks mighty healthy to me. Much more healthy than the 15 minute flyrod fight of a couple years ago. Either way Pueblo is growing them huge and will soon have the WR legitimately in hand. I feel sorry for the freakin shad knowing that beast could be around any corner or under any shelf.. Lt
Reply by: Tbubb Posted: 3/24/2010 10:34:31 AM Points: 13732
I like the first picture- it shows the size of the fish. The second pic- well, you hold small fish like that to make them look bigger. It messes with perspective, so there is no way to really see how big a fish is in those arms-out photos. That fish doesn't need any exaggeration for effect. Hope someday I hook something like that, record or not I imagine it was a blast. The record might not be yours, but the story is.
Reply by: M Smiley Posted: 3/24/2010 10:37:53 AM Points: 105
I can understand why folks get skeptical on posts like this - we've seen some posts before on these forums end up being far from reality, however if it's a legit catch congrats it's a very nice fish indeed!
I do agree that being at Pueblo you would think the inspectors would have had to have seen the fish upon the inspection of a drained livewell when exiting the lake. How would they have seen the size of that fish and not suggested getting a certified weight on the fish? That piece alone does seem odd to me. Whenever a potential record size fish is caught there are skeptics, especially a situation like this when it is eaten and never officially weighed, etc. Just human nature I suppose.
Reply by: FISHRANGLER Posted: 3/24/2010 10:37:58 AM Points: 6633
hippster That fish has some very good skin and clear eyes I can see that it is not winter kill!!! They were not intending to catch a fish of that magnitude that's pretty obvious to all of us buy trolling with 6 lbs. test, your after trout or just messing around out on the lake.. these guys may not have been after wiper but they caught the fish as a team, by using the boat and playing the fish they deserve a little more respect!!! You and I were not there so we don't know the story. We should just enjoy the the fact that we have a lake that you and I have a chance to catch a fish of that size here in Colorado... And give them kudos catching it. I don't care that They ate the fish or didn't realize that they had a record. And no one else should care what they did, I think they just didn't know and may have not talked with anyone else about it .,Like I said we were not there and don't know the hole story..
Reply by: hippster Posted: 3/24/2010 11:01:02 AM Points: 5
just because it looks fresh doesn't mean it wasn't winter kill Ive seen it consistently through the years .based on this story it just doesn't add up ive caughtlots of wipers over 12lbs and up to 17.5 lbs and not one has ever started a death roll they've always taken off like they had never been caught even in the warmest water when by the way most wiper or striper die from from the stress of being caught. then to eat it so theres no evidence ,not to call DOW to find out if they truly had something special as that ask yourself this would you have done what they did with a fish like that .personally i'm grateful they dined instead of claiming the record
Reply by: FISHRANGLER Posted: 3/24/2010 11:01:43 AM Points: 6633
hippster Your not being very respectful please. You may not want to go down this road,,You are assuming a lot by making those Accusations and being new to the site your not going to make any friends.. You will loose the argument over this fish It is a picture is all, and they have no reason to lie,If I was going to lie about catching the fish I would not say 6 lbs line.. That fish is a record fish! No scale needed! You can see it is without having a scale in the photo! No need to be mean! Or accuse them of fraud. The picture says it all.. If you really do catch Wipers then you should know this also... If they were going to comit fraud then yea they would have had it on a scale with pics, THINK ABOUT IT!!!That's why I beleave the photo and the story.. Again,,,, You were not there!!!
Reply by: captndoug Posted: 3/24/2010 11:04:17 AM Points: 18
sheees guys,winter kill? I may be dumb cracker from Florida but I have never had a dead fish pull out drag(unless a bigger one was eatin" it). No he was alive ! Oh ya, I made a complete wardrobe change ,and got shorter for the pictures. Look ,I am sorry I didn't get it weighed for you guys. I am a serious fisherman ,just maybe not by some of you guys definition. I have fished mainly in Florida all my life for fun and for money ,but never really payed attention to records. I have some picts on another camera we took at home when we measured it which I'll post. That was my first time at Pueblo .I live in douglas county ,but think I might try and get down there again to back that catch up. We did see another one that was not too much smaller.
Reply by: captndoug Posted: 3/24/2010 11:14:25 AM Points: 18
hippster, Wiper as far as I know are the same species as sunshine bass , which are a little sluggish in colder water. It was the first wiper i have ever caught,so i am not sure how they they are supposed to fight in diff water temps. Anyways I really don't care what you think dude ,it is what it is.
Reply by: FISHRANGLER Posted: 3/24/2010 11:20:48 AM Points: 6633
captndoug I have just a question for you though. I was woundering what youmay have been thinking now that you have had a couple of days think about it... You may have caught a world record / state record and line class record. And didn't get it weighed Do you feel like you may do something didferent or do you just dont care much about it.. Alot of guys catch very large record fish all the time and just let them go and they do it on pupose... And I am fine with that..Some don't want all the fame that may go with having a World record fish. Would you be the guy that doesn't want the fame, or the guy that was just out to have a nice day on the lake with the buddies? Or the guy that wishes he would have got it to a scale? Now that you know what you had..
I would be the guy that wished he got it to the scales!! lol...Only a few short years ago I would have let the fish go without knowing What Master Anglers are and record size of fish and not given it another thought.. Any way I will be looking for your name in the Master Angler program at least..
Reply by: FISHRANGLER Posted: 3/24/2010 11:39:34 AM Points: 6633
captndoug Now that you know were the Wiper are and What they like ,,, go get that little brother. And you may want to charge a fee for anyone wanting to go out on your boat with you.. I know that I would pay! lol Just kidding. but if you would like you can ride with me on my boat any time... lol And Im sure you will have lots of friends with you on you next trip down there...Of corse Im just kidding I will go catch my own at Aurora Res...
Reply by: M Smiley Posted: 3/24/2010 11:46:32 AM Points: 105
That's too bad....Most inspectors I have run across actually look in the livewell to see that it is drained. You think Pueblo would be the one lake where they actually should do that. If she would have she'd have seen the fish I assume.
Reply by: hippster Posted: 3/24/2010 11:49:24 AM Points: 5
hey captndoug do your research big wipers prefer cold water as a matter of fact that's why they grow so big here .your story doesn't add up id like to believe it but the circumstances surrounding this story don't seam believable being a capt and not thinking you had a super fish doesn't cut the mustard .did you show this fish to the boat inspectors .they would have called the DOW for you t5he fact that you ate your fish instead of doing your homework with your computer that you are obvesly pretty good with just discourages me more 5 min at the Dow web site would have told you ' you had a world record . even if you had frozen it it still would be the world record .its a nice fish and a nice story just a little puzzling coming from a captn from Florida and all .
Reply by: Fishful Thinker Posted: 3/24/2010 11:58:36 AM Points: 7750
Man, so of you guys ought to give the captain a break. That's an unbelievably great catch, but why call him out? I normally stay out of the crap like these accusations, but come on...its a shiny, healthy looking fish from a great fishery with lots of baitfish and known to produce previous records. He caught it in cold water, making it that much easier to handle on light tackle and all good anglers know that the giants of all species bite in early spring. Besides, Doug's a salt water angler meaning he has experience with serious fish fights.
Can you quote the record sizes for all species - especially those you weren't targeting? I can't. I caught a perch 2 years ago that was 2 inches longer than the state record... and released it ignorantly because I didn't know what I had. Doh! No pics, so I'm sure some of you will call me a liar. And in my experience, most ANS inspectors aren't fish experts by any stretch so how would they know?
As for a release, wipers have a much higher incidence of delayed mortality than most species releasing a completely exhausted wiper is almost always a waste according to several bio's I've spoken with. Wiper have a harder time regulating blood chemistry due to them being part salt water fish and part fresh water fish.
CaptnDoug - well done and thanks for sharing. Now, where exactly on Pueblo were you fishing...J/K! CL
Reply by: DisplacedFisherman Posted: 3/24/2010 11:59:16 AM Points: 260
captndoug The best fish caught an posted on this site since I have been a member.. Almost 3yrs now. Congrats! That is definetly a fish of a lifetime right there! Many of us will never catch a Wiper that big. Awesome!
HIPPSTER,never said I was a captain ,just my handle since I was 15. Everybody is a captain of there own boat. You are right I bought it at King Sooper in the frozen seafood section brought out on the boat and staged this hoax. Next week I am going to pull a saquatch out of my walk in freezer for the guys at bigfoot forum.
Either way, nobody can take away an amazing catch. I wish I was the one catching all the greif for an awesome fish. Whether you ate it used it for fertilizer or whatever you caught it and shared it with the rest of us and I thank you. It makes me want to make a trip down south for sure. Please don't be discouraged from putting up future posts. It's funny how the little green monster known as jealousy rears it's ugly head and disguises itself as disbelief.
captndoug At the least you may call the manufacture of the lure you used and the rod and reel and line and you may get some kinda indorsment maybe a few lures for your story .. there is value in that.. I dont know if you realize that.. advertizing cost alot of money these days but a picture with your fish and the lure is priceless, Just the story alone should be in the next Field and Stream! And shared with the world...
Who are you bro? You seem to be an expert on wiper, at least you come off that way. Where are your pics? Get off this guy's back dude - looks legitimate to me man. Just cause Captndoug caught a fish that you never will, doesn't mean that he is full of crap bro!
Captndoug - Keep talking, this is the most intriguing thing I've ever seen on a local fishing forum. Once again, congrats and do not let the naysayers discourage you.
Fishrangler makes an awesome point. I would contact rapala and the other companies that you used to catch this fish and see if they will give you something for using your story, Rapala is very proud of holding like 178 world records. heck you could be on wfn's commercial.
I too can vouch for wipers wearing themselves out to the point of complete exhaustion. It sometimes takes a good half hour or so before they even start to seem right and even then its not a sure thing theyíll live. I have made it standard practice on my boat for any wipers Iím planning on releasing that I get them right into the live well and run it full boar as fast as possible before I do any picture taking or weighing or measuring. I equate those few seconds out of the water after you land a wiper thatís put up a long fight to asking a sprinter or distance runner to hold there breath for a minute right after they finish their run. I have been happy to find wipers that seemed totally toasted would be happily swimming in place and full of spunk 30 minutes later.
All that being said, I donít think that fish would of fit in my live well. Great fish! I have released every large wiper I have ever caught, but that one would first go to a certified scale and then would go right on my wall in my poker room. Them zebra muscles grow them wipers big!
So I called IGFA and you still may have a world record of some kind even though you ate the fish you have the girth and length of fish The lady Becky in Florida says she's going to check into it and email me back...I will let you know what she says if anything at all.
Also I know that the Pueblo Tourizum board would love to have more info on your catch and maybe a picture at the resivoir..Just a thought!
hey longhorn its me bro just for the record so you know who i am i have been called many nicknames Thur the years such as curt gowdy jr, little AL Lindie ,but my personal favorite is sir slam allot wiper fishing is all we do i dont consider my self an expert but most of the people who fish with me have caught the biggest wipers of their lives as soon as i figure out how to download my pics i will . i dont mean to dis captndoug i just think most serious fisherman like myself think in the same manner.like a lot of you ive been looking for the state record wiper so much so that a 12 -15 lb wiper doesn't do it for me any more. nice to look at ,fun to catch BUT NOT A STATE RECORD so forgive me for being a sceptic . just have a hard time believing . it just seams that every time someone catches a big wiper in pueblo there's a odd story behind it .wouldn't be the first big wiper to choke on 18 inch walleye and float to the surface still struggling and scooped up by a passerby.oh and by the way the walleye are spawning hard right now an easy meal for big wiper. but like i said I'm a sceptic
" i have been called many nicknames Thur the years such as curt gowdy jr, little AL Lindie ,but my personal favorite is sir slam allot "
LOL !!!! Ok, you the man. They call me the black widow and I thought that was cool for a while, now I am thinking its because of the bad luck that I bring the people I fish with. Anyway, Lindie Jr. you go get em.
Incredible Wiper my man... I had a good friend tell me about this post, telling me that it made my Wiper look like a minnow!! No doubt it does.. I caught a 17.5# Wiper at the Creek and was pretty sure I was boating a whale... Fishin' for Wiper is my favorite, but also the most frustrating.... Great job non-the -less and may I suggest shirts for the next round of pics with your next world record... Haha...
hey I never even thought or claimed I had a record fish ,somebody else did that after i posted the pictures. once we realized it wasn't gonna swim away ,we started thinking about the deep fryer. If it lives in the water and is somewhat edible ,I'll eat it. anyways my buddy who I share the boat with urged me to post these picts. Maybe a bad decision. In a controlled fishery like these lakes are, there has to be more, they stock em for God's sake! It's not like you gotta battle commercial guys with nets,or divers spearin' all the big slow ones, or idiots releasing there hungry ,agressive, excotic aquarium fish(at least I hope not).
Captndoug, i know you said you're done, and i dont blame you one bit. However in closing, i just would like to say ..i'm glad you DID post and you got some fishing in and had GREAT fun doing so, after all...isnt that what it's all about? Congrats again !
Reply by: Lucius Posted: 3/25/2010 12:36:19 AM Points: 372
Hell of catch!!! I know many of us really do appreciate you sharing your experience. I always look forward to a monster catch on the forum. If I ever get around to wiper fishing, I will have to hit you up for some hints. Thanks again for sharing and Congrats on your beast.
Reply by: ducati Posted: 3/25/2010 6:39:20 AM Points: 2295
"Im glad captdoug doesnt have to prove anything. Usually when an angler claims to have broken a record he does in fact have to prove it or its just another fish story."
Please re-read the posts before you comment, not once did he bring up a state record he was just showing off a nice fish, he did not claim anything. The only ones that made issue with the state / world records were the rest of. Man thats a beautiful fish, everytime I open this post I just can't get over that thing.
Reply by: fishy15 Posted: 3/25/2010 8:50:32 AM Points: 120
Why does it have to be about records? Shouldn't we just fish for the enjoyment of fishing? Why is everyone so worried about their 15 minutes of fame, that's not what fishing is about! Congrats on the catch and just for the record, I would have done the same as you did, if it can't be released then respect it and use it, donít just hang it on the wall!
Reply by: FISHRANGLER Posted: 3/25/2010 8:58:31 AM Points: 6633
Good news you still may qualify for the IGFA all tackle record for the whiterock bass ---thats what they call it IF you have a picture of the fish on the scale...you had said you had more pictures.. anyway The way I read it,it does not have to be certified scale.... then you just have to take more pictures of the scale you used yourself and rod and reel From Rebecca The current all tackle record for the whiterock bass is:
Bass, whiterock Morone saxatilis x M. chrysops 27 lbs. 5 oz. - 12.38 kgs Greers Ferry Lake Arkansas USA 5/24/1997 Jerald Shaum
If the catch was made in accordance with IGFA rules and is equal or greater in weight than the existing all tackle, the angler may apply for a world record. We require a signed and notarized application along with 50 ft of line from the spool to include any double line and leader and all components must be intact, photos of angler with catch, rod and reel and scale as well.
Rebecca Wright IGFA World Records Coordinator 300 Gulf Stream Way Dania Beach, FL 33004
Reply by: M Smiley Posted: 3/25/2010 9:17:16 AM Points: 105
Awesome help you are trying to give Capt. Doug but I'll tell you there is no way an IGFA weight record would be approved off a non-certified scale.
If a scale is not certified the weight really means nothing as far as certifying a record by weight is concerned.
They may have some sort of non weight records by measurements but I'm not sure. I had a friend land a near W.R. King Salmon last summer and they released it. He looked into a release record with measurements with the IGFA but never really got anywhere with them.
Reply by: clint walker Posted: 3/25/2010 9:39:44 AM Points: 1253
Awesome fish Doug!! I hardly ever fish for wipers and my biggest was 6lbs 1oz but with the way they fight, I'd be willing to bet yours fought like a bull red. Man that's just flat out awesome! I am from the coast as well and caught a lot of big fish and seems that pound per pound, these wipers can compare to a number of nice salt water fish like bull reds, snapper and even amberjack.
As for the haters, just ignore them bro, not really worth your time to try defending yourself. Just enjoy the moment
Reply by: fishhooker Posted: 3/25/2010 10:01:07 AM Points: 6968
Have any of you who are ripping on this guy thought that maybe he didn't want the attention??? Some people are quiet in what and how they catch for their own reasons. Some of you on here are appearently so jealous that he caught this and you didn't!!! Get over it! Some people AREN'T so vain that they have to get their name in the record books if they catch a monster fish. I applaud you captndoug for your catch! I also commend you on how you have handled this instant noteriety and the naysayers that come with it. There are people out there who fish for the ENJOYMENT! Not to catch a limit, or the biggest, or whatever. Keep catchin em captdoug!