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Nice end to a wonderful weekend? Not so much!

by: David Coulson 1/22/2013

Three days of either talking fishing or fishing.  Saturday was the ISE where I spent the day visiting lots of folks and tying flies at the Fly Tying Theater.  Short of fishing, there are few ways I’d rather spend my time.

Sunday, three of us gave Douglas a try, only to find the anglers (and there were lots of them) appeared to outnumber the fish.  After a couple of hours fishing and a couple dozen holes, we managed a single bite that resulted in a nice rainbow.  Looking for better action we moved over to Wellington #4 where we found fewer anglers and higher fish numbers. The afternoon produced good numbers of perch and trout.  Although, we did have to drill a good number of holes and think through the situation before we finally found a “spot” that produced well.

Monday, I had off, so Bill and I drove to Pueblo where we fished the lower section of the river.  While the fishing was slow for us, only a couple fish, the weather was outstanding.  It was delightful to wade-fish open water comfortably in fly weight waders without gloves.  Nary a chill all day, that’s a rare thing on a January day in Colorado.

Then Monday night I checked my email and Fish Explorer, only to find several had emailed me about a thread out of control and that the moderators had to take, what started as an innocuous thread of a member showing off a large fish, down.  That threw cold water on my otherwise great weekend. 

Why did the moderators take the post down?  Simply, a large number of members decided that it was OK to talk trash to a member who kept a legal lake trout from Granby.  Yes, I checked the regulations and they were well within their rights to keep the fish.

I appreciate that some feel trophy fish should be released and, personally, I feel all Master Angler size fish, no matter the species should be released.  However, I do not jump down anyone’s throat for keeping fish legally.  That is their right.  And we DO NOT permit others to use the FishExplorer.com forum to talk trash to others who fished legally and decided to post their success. 

Rules 1 and 2 for posting on the forum are clear:

1) Be Courteous
Write posts with common courtesy to other members and readers. Strictly argumentative posts are not allowed.

2) No Personal Attacks
Do not target other members in your posts. If a thread indirectly exposes an issue you feel strongly about, start a new forum topic addressing it. If a topic directly exposes an issue and solicits opinions, reply w/courtesy.

For those who violate the rules the moderators can and do suspend the member’s posting privileges, which happened to a number of members responding to the aforementioned thread.  Privileges get reinstated once a member contacts us and agrees to follow, not only the letter, but also the intent of the forum rules.

For those wishing to express their views, they can do so by starting their own thread on the topic that concerns them.  Or if they wish a more formal platform, we do accept guest blogs and articles.  The only requirement is they need to be reasonably well written and more than a “rant.” 

The bottom line is we have a low tolerance for “bad” behavior on the forum and the moderators can and will enforce the rules without hesitation.  Play nice on the forum or don’t play at all. 

Blog content © David Coulson
Member comments
Jake25, CO   1/22/2013 1:55:54 PM
Thanks Dave, that thread got out of control in a hurry and its good to see that this site is taking that stuff seriously.
 
Coyute, CO   1/22/2013 3:33:31 PM
Unfortunately due to a backwoods trailer trash upbringing, the only way to get through to some people is with strong language and/or by shaming them. It's a shame that it's so, but unfortunately it's true. I wish some people would grow thicker skin and/or grow a set. People are always crying wolf when it comes to getting their feelings hurt or offended and I am rather sick of it.
 
David Coulson (Flyrodn), CO   1/23/2013 6:38:43 AM
Point well made that folks need to grow a thicker skin, including those who have adopted a species, water, fishing technique . . . Then have a hissy fit when others don't release their fish, fish their water, or fish someway other than theirs. Yep, a thicker skin would go a long way to helping them accept that it is OK if others don't march to their tune. I'm all for folks have a bit more tolerance.
 
Coyute, CO   1/23/2013 9:01:56 AM
Good thing I know the difference between a superior opinion and a hissy fit.
 
Catcherman, CO   1/23/2013 9:14:41 AM
people don't take into consideration that some people don't have the luxury of catch-n-release. By that I mean when I'm fishing I'm fishing for food. I'm fishing so that my family can have a nice supper without breaking my pocket book. I can't afford to go out and buy fish or steak so I go catch fish and kill elk and deer so that my family will survive. If you have a problem with me not putting back a trophy fish, come tell my nieces and nephews they don't get dinner tonight because you want to have the chance to catch the fish I just caught. Congratulations to whomever caught that fish and tightlines to the rest.
 
FishWhacked, CO   1/23/2013 9:46:13 AM
Here we go with the poor rhetoric... Some people don't take into consideration the actual overall cost of fishing/hunting compared to the overall cost of making frugal choices at the grocery store.
 
Catcherman, CO   1/23/2013 10:01:02 AM
How much does a can of worms cost compared to a whole fish at the store? The lake is 15 miles of highway away the store is 15 miles of highway and another 10 miles of stop and go..... I already own all my fishing gear and has lasted me years and years providing me with plenty of fish to match the equivalent of its price. A gallon of gas lasts me a whole season for the auger..... So 3 bucks a season for the auger and a fishing license. Go spend 100 bucks on fish at the store and see how long that lasts you compared to me hitting the ice. Go buy a elk from the butcher shop and see what it costs compared to me spending 50 bucks on a tag.... I will use the bullets that I bought the year before. To make it a little more clear driving to the store to buy 4 fish compared to driving to the lake (same distance) to catch 4 fish on a can of salmon eggs that I've had for two years or more and having a lot more fun doing it. Cost effective son.
 
Coyute, CO   1/23/2013 10:05:25 AM
Poor rhetoric indeed.
 
FishWhacked, CO   1/23/2013 10:14:50 AM
I can't afford elk at the store or all the equipment plus tags & gas to get to where the elk live...so I eat burgers to survive. Cost effective, son.
 
Coyute, CO   1/23/2013 10:30:28 AM
LOL
 
cookster, CO   1/23/2013 10:32:27 AM
Yuke, lips and butts.
 
Catcherman, CO   1/23/2013 10:46:47 AM
Lol must be nice, I can't afford burgers at the store. Ill kill and harvest my food.... Livin off the land.
 
FishWhacked, CO   1/23/2013 11:37:18 AM
I think the main point here is you don't need to take a trophy fish to survive. There are plenty of medium sized fish available "to survive on" to allow the big ones to go back and produce more fish. It's more about preserving the resource so your nieces & nephews can go out and survive for years to come.
 
longdraw, CO   1/23/2013 11:47:43 AM
I think the main point here is you don't need to take a trophy fish to survive. There are plenty of medium sized fish available "to survive on" to allow the big ones to go back and produce more fish. It's more about preserving the resource so your nieces & nephews can go out and survive for years to come.
 
Catcherman, CO   1/23/2013 11:48:37 AM
I agree with you 100 percent, just hope that trophy isn't the only thing I catch lol. Much respect to you guys and good luck out there.
 
ZZZ, CO   1/23/2013 11:54:38 AM
Am I the only one who finds it funny that a blog about following forum rules had to have comments removed for not following forum rules?
 
FishWhacked, CO   1/23/2013 12:12:44 PM
ZZZ that is funny! ironic And Dave solid blog! didn't intend to get off topic lol but it does show courteous discussions can be had so we can all see different perspectives Good luck to you too, Catcherman!
 
esoxrocks, CO   1/23/2013 5:23:25 PM
Always laugh when I hear "fishing for survival" line. If the folks who say that worked (even at a day-labor job) the day they took off to go fishing, they would have earned enough money to buy a week’s worth of food...easy. No problem here with folks eating their catch (although it would be nice to return the breeders)…and certainly no problem with taking time off to fish…but the argument that we fish/hunt for survival really falls flat.
 
ducati, CO   1/23/2013 5:40:47 PM
esoxrocks quote: "Always laugh when I hear "fishing for survival" line." I couldn't agreed more. My family will starve if I selective harvest instead of keeping that trophy fish as they type on a computer, using internet service they pay for and I am sure have a smart phone and all of the luxuries the rest of us enjoy. Anyway, that's all fine and dandy however they want to justify it, but everyone posting reports over the internet needs to be aware that there are truck loads of people with this mentality that they are providing information to and they will damage the fisheries that are exploited.
 
Catcherman, CO   1/23/2013 10:31:17 PM
That's all good guys but you don't have clue about my position or finances. I work at an ice plant. Packaging and delivering.... There isn't that much work in the winter, when ice is falling from the sky. I know I know get another job right? Definitely not that easy in this area and my position at the ice plant make it even harder. I may have taken the fishing for survival line to far because if that was the case I probably would have starved last week when I got skuned 3 trips in a row. But I do enjoy eating a hearty healthy meal instead of top Roman or mac n cheese. I fish because I love it but I also fish to eat a healthy meal. Fish are food not friends lol. I understand the whole idea behind c&r but don't get mad at me when I take home a big fish because I'm hungry for fish. And it does save me money and tastes way better then frozen store bought.
 
Catcherman, CO   1/23/2013 10:34:25 PM
Don't have internet or tv and my work pays for my smart phone. I do have a dog tho and she likes fish to.
 
LastKast2010, CO   1/24/2013 11:41:48 AM
seriously.... come on... i see breeder size fish taken at my lake all the time... i understand both sides to the "T".... but if a guy has a fishing license... is he... or isn't he allowed to posses a legal fish in his creel. I totally get the size thing... it's actually the first thing i thought about... but... the bottom line is.... wether you like it or not... he is with in his LEAGAL rights to keep his fish... not the best idea in a already over fished lake and an over fished species, but legal non the less... let this stuff go... WAY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!
 
esoxrocks, CO   1/24/2013 12:08:15 PM
Did I comment on taking fish? No. That was not my point. My comment was simply calling a line of BS (fishing for survival) what it is...BS.
 
esoxrocks, CO   1/24/2013 1:58:43 PM
@ Lastcast- I think I mistook your comment as directed to my post...sorry about that. I should probably re-read the thread before I reply from now on. My mistake.
 
LastKast2010, CO   1/24/2013 4:35:16 PM
no worries.... not only am i :thick skinned" but i am trying to calm the post down.... not here to judge...anyone!
 
Catcherman, CO   1/29/2013 6:20:18 PM
I don't see why it is so hard to believe people fish for food.especially in this economic hole we are currently in. I mean sure there are plenty of ways to "survive" but that's what im good at and that's what works for me. so technically I am fishing for survival. Im definitely not taking a day off to go fishing but I probably am going fishing on my day off. Call it "poor rhetoric" or bs or whatever else you want, I could really care less. You survive your way and ill survive mine. No hard feelings either way. I follow the rules, pay my fees, love to fish and love to eat fish. I think that's fair enough.
 
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